[Schiendelman]

In the last year, I've driven almost every new EV available for under $100,000.

Tesla has more range per dollar than almost any others. Many have antiquated, unusable infotainment systems designed for legacy cars. Some get marked up by $10,000 or more by dealers. None have the simplicity of charging.

Tesla is still selling most of the EVs on the road. Slowdowns attributed to Musk's shit behavior are never compared with their peers, who are having even worse slowdowns. Having driven nearly all of them, I understand why.

[babyent]

I bought a P3D in 2018 and it was quick. But the interior deteriorated in like six months. Rattled like crazy, center console lid wouldn’t stay closed, and after the hw3 upgrade it rattled even more.

When I made a service appointment through the app I got a message that it would cost me ($180 I think?) to have it inspected to determine where the noise was coming from.

I got FSD for $2k back then and while I only had the car for 3 years and drove mostly the 101, I found it helpful in traffic jams. However I didn’t trust it much at higher speeds because it would phantom brake or swerve randomly especially around bridges or when I was in lanes that intersected. Really scary!

I got a Mazda CX-30 after selling the Tesla and it had no interior rattles and felt more premium even though it was $26k. The steering wheel felt more like a sports car than the P3D.

Just my opinion.. I do miss the crazy acceleration. I don’t miss the rattles and poor interior quality.

Not sure if I’ll get another EV until Mazda or Honda make a nice reliable car. I’m a little scared to buy any car from companies that are burning money like crazy lol. I don’t mind moving fast and breaking things on the browser, but not on the road!!

[iknowstuff]

the CX30 feels like a cramped, slow toy compared to the 2024 model 3.

[LUmBULtERA]

I felt the same. In the last year I test drove the Model 3 (pre-highland), Y, and pretty much all their competitors. I still landed on a Y, and I love it. I'm always surprised at how much hate Tesla gets ... I understand some folks won't prefer their minimalist interiors, and that's fine.

[tw04]

>Tesla has more range per dollar than almost any others.

They don't - they inflate their estimated mileage across the board. Lucid runs circles around them dollar for dollar.

>Many have antiquated, unusable infotainment systems designed for legacy cars.

They pretty much all have carplay and android auto which runs circles around Tesla's antiquated interface. It was revolutionary a decade ago, it now looks like a tired android skin. Have you tried youtube music? You can't even properly like or dislike a song, much less properly navigate playlists.

>Some get marked up by $10,000 or more by dealers.

This literally isn't a thing. I don't know of ANY EV that you can't get at cost if you spend even 30 seconds looking. The dealers marking up cars ridiculous amounts during COVID hasn't been a normal thing for quite some time.

>None have the simplicity of charging.

Huh? You can drive a Ford Mach-E up to a Tesla charger, attach your adapter, plug it in, and it starts charging. The very first time you ever charge a given car, you do need to start it from the app to tie a tesla account to the car itself, after that it's plug and charge.

>Tesla is still selling most of the EVs on the road. Slowdowns attributed to Musk's shit behavior are never compared with their peers, who are having even worse slowdowns. Having driven nearly all of them, I understand why.

Having driven nearly all of them, I think I'm questioning if you have. Literally every other car I have driven has a nicer interior, a better technology system, and basic functionality that actually works like: auto wipers, cruise control that doesn't phantom brake for no reason, things you just take for granted in any modern car that Tesla decided wasn't worth spending a couple dollars per car to have work reliably.

Tesla is absolutely compared to peers, and no their peers aren't having "even worse slowdowns".

https://electrek.co/2024/10/22/gm-outpaces-us-rivals-q3-fewe...

[infecto]

We realize you have a lot of bias but I think what the OP was getting at is that Tesla still has the best EV experience. The drivetrain is generally rocksolid, charging is a solved problem, going on road trips the navigation works seamlessly with optimal charging stops. The interiors are absolutely bare bones and will rattle, though I have heard the latest refresh on the 3 is a lot nicer. You are also right, they have a lot of hubris, the wipers are a debacle, it would be nice if they just paid for the sensors like all other car companies for automatic wipers.

I think the Hyundai is getting close and the Mercedes lineup is nice but a little $$$. Tesla still is a nice sweet spot.

[Schiendelman]

Are you interested in discussing any of these things you've said? Or are you interested in 'being right'? Let me know. Happy to discuss.

[tw04]

Sure. Let’s discuss why a 6-figure Tesla doesn’t have functioning automatic wipers? Elon insisted that would be easy with nothing but cameras. And if they can’t even get the wipers working, why should any of us believe they’ll solve full autonomy with nothing but cameras?

[Schiendelman]

This is not the way to have a conversation on HN.

[iknowstuff]

wipers work fine

[Schiendelman]

My wipers DO sometimes wipe once when the sun hits them wrong... not so bad though.

[iknowstuff]

thinking the bandaid of carplay/android auto is better is just hilarious