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by Wytwwww 599 days ago
> innocent citizens

Do you not think that at least 50% of all people in Russia would vote for Putin or his affiliates (even if the elections weren't falsified)? Therefore most people in Russia are certainly not innocent.

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> most people in Russia are certainly not innocent.

Nor are Americans, by this standard - what we've done directly in Syria & Iraq is quite bad and enjoyed substantial popular support.

Perhaps. However on the whole not particularly worse what the local governments were already doing there (more so in Iraq, though)
We don't know and can't know that, there hasn't been a single election without major falsifications since about 2004. I personally don't know anyone who voted for him, but I don't keep many ties to the "lowest classes". If your image of the Russian society is based solely on US left-wing media, then it has even less resemblance to reality.
> We don't know and can't know that, there hasn't been a single election without major falsifications since about 2004.

We can and know that. Just talk with your fellow Russians.

Even (pseudo)opposition polls generally show that most people support Putin? Yes I understand that polls in such a society might not be particularly meaningful. But I'm not even saying that most Russians actively support the government, implicit support (i.e. being unwilling to risk anything to change the status quo) is almost as good.

> "lowest classes"

I find it hard to believe that there aren't plenty of people who are middle class and above who support the regime. After all Russia's economy is almost entirely based on raw resources extraction and (now) military related industries.

> If your image of the Russian society is based solely on US left-wing media

And yours is based on Kremlin propaganda channels and media sources? See what I did there? Both assumptions are equally valid/invalid and neither contributes anything to a meaningful discussion besides immediately shutting down the possibility of one existing.