[meiraleal]

10 trillion dollars to "win" against Iraq and Vietnam. I guess it is still debatable.

[ceejayoz]

Endlessly debatable what counts as a win, and over what timeframe.

Did the North win the Civil War? In 1865, that answer was fairly clear. In 2024, perhaps less so. I suspect 1870s Americans would be a little surprised that Confederate flags and monuments pop up all over in the 20th and 21st centuries.

[rbanffy]

Did the Allies win WWII? Not sure, because nazi flags keep popping up everywhere, including presidential rallies in the United States.

I wonder whether conclusive victories against the worst of our natures isn’t feasible.