[fazeirony]

frame it how you want - it doesn't make their argument any less true or valid.

[smeg_it]

I agree with the previous response. You don't make any argument or point, you just mumble "leftist" and dismiss. Extremist on either side don't seem to help anything. I lean one way just like most people, but I try not to dismiss everyone without hearing them out and thinking about it.

I have learned by listening. There are many people on both sides smarter than I am. But if they don't listen and discuss, then they are stuck and won't grow in any way. Usually, there are valid points on both sides but you made none.

[m_fayer]

Apologies, that was meant as a joke but I can see how it was way too vague in this context.

It was intended as a rueful "I concede that guy has/had a point, should've listened more and judged less."

I think what you're saying is wise.