[negoutputeng]

Mgmt at every company is asked - what are you doing to be agentic ?

so, they organize hackathons where devs build a hypothetical agentic framework nobody will dare use. So, mgmt can claim, look here what i have done to be agentic.

you should ask: would you dogfood your agent, and the answer is no way. these are meant purely for marketing purposes, as they dont meet an end user need.

[negoutputeng]

whats hilarious in this farce is how these are being rebranded from "co-pilots" to "agents"

just goes to show, it is all a big song-and-dance. much ado about nothing.

[jjmarr]

The term "co-pilot" implies a company has to hire a software engineer to guide the AI.

The term "agent" implies you can give the AI full access to your repos and fire the software engineers you're grudgingly paying six figures to.

The second is much more valuable to executives not wanting to pay the software people that demand higher salaries than virtually everyone else in the organization.

[viraptor]

They're was no rebrand. They're different concepts. Copilot and similar solutions are giving hints as you do the development. Agents are systems that receive a goal and will iterate actions and queries for more information until they achieve the goal.

[negoutputeng]

you are quoting the party-line.

i am saying, the thing is snake-oil - a solution looking for a problem.

[viraptor]

I'm explaining what words mean. Agentic approach has been a thing for years https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligent_agent You can just say you don't like AI in programming, without saying incorrect things on top of that.

[mooreds]

Right. Woe is the startup that doesn't have an AI story right now.

[whiplash451]

The companies that have a data moat and no AI are in a much better position than those who’ve got it the other way around.

[mooreds]

Depends on what you are optimizing for.

Long term value, I agree.

Fundraising, hard disagree.