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by sshine 604 days ago
> Visual studio is open source

Sort of. The core is, and the installable binaries with telemetry and properietary extensions are not.

The open source, telemetry-free version of VSCode is called VSCodium: https://vscodium.com/

> Didn't cusor fork it and is building it features directly into the fork?

Yes, in their recent interview with Lex Fridman they argued that life as an extension is too limiting.

The main reason we criticise Microsoft for doing this and not them is just their size and market dominance.

Why jump through hoops to make competitors better able to hotwire their own AI into VSCode, or hotwire Copilot into their own IDE, when it's easier to iterate fast and remain unpredictable?

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> Why jump through hoops to make competitors better able

Because that is the competitive philosophy that allowed VS Code win in this space. It fits with that great quote from Bill Gates: "A platform is when the economic value of everybody that uses it, exceeds the value of the company that creates it."

By having VS Code give a priority to another MS/GitHub product that they aren't willing to give competitors, they're diminishing VS Code's value as a platform, and encouraging competitors to build their own IDEs rather than building on top of it.

That just tells you where in the EEE lifecycle you are.

    Embrace, extend, and extinguish
          `--->
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace%2C_extend%2C_and_extin...
Embracing, extending, and extinguishing their own tool?

Please consider what you are going to say before you say it.

No, an ecosystem and culture of open source software development tooling.
> Embracing, extending, and extinguishing their own tool?

Consider how C# support in VSCode got nerfed recently:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31760684

https://github.com/dotnet/vscode-csharp/issues/5276

There was another event only a few months ago, but I can't find the reference.

> Please consider what you are going to say before you say it.

Do as I say , not as I do?

Oh my sweet summer child...
do you have anything respectful to say, or just this disrespectful, dismissive response?

If you want to have a discussion, then let's have one. Step one is to have the discussion in good faith. If you're not capable of that, then don't respond at all.

> The open source, telemetry-free version of VSCode is called VSCodium

The open source, telemetry-free version of VSCode is called VSCode. The VSCodium people simply build it for you and package it for you.

The fact that you can access source code allowing you to build a telemetry-free version of VSCode doesn’t magically make what’s actually distributed open source and telemetry free.

The sole thing you can actually download and run while calling it VS Code - a trademarked name - is neither open source nor telemetry-free.

Congratulations, you've won a car!

If you choose to drive it, it's full price.

You're mistaken, Visual Studio Code is open source not Visual Studio, they're different