[Spivak]

It is crazy the genuine anger that some senior leadership has over the tiniest most inconsequential perks like beer, ping pong tables, work flexibility, and not getting micromanaged to death. They worked their ass off getting up at 4am something something grind corporate ladder to get to play golf and go to sports games as work expenses and these entitled 20-somethings show up expecting to not get treated like shit and not have to kiss ass so hard it qualifies as a rimjob to get ahead? The audacity! It's unreal the amount of I suffered so you should have to as well.

It's so depressing how much leverage the SW engineering field needed to get treatment like how everyone should have always had it. The default is so skewed to employers being able to grind their employees to dust and getting thanked for it. Companies should be constantly worried about retention across all their positions and have to treat their employees well because of it.

[iterateoften]

It’s pretty twisted. I went to open an office in a different country and help the engineers there. The country had an exchange rate favorable to the usd and a much lower cost of living on the low end, but if you wanted to live like I did back in California the cost was almost comparable. Maybe I was saving like $1k a month.

But the ceo and management threw a fit that I was “living like a king” because I wasn’t living in squalor.

I just was renting a decent apartment in a decent neighborhood. My apartment was still not as nice as my place back in the bay if I count all the furniture, amenities, etc

Meanwhile the ceo back in San Francisco was the one living like a king with multiple assistants, private chefs, and chauffeurs.

They were enraged that my life was too good for their standards while paying me the exact same as they had been.

[whatshisface]

It's funny that they said that, because in other industries expats often live like actual kings (okay, not kings but at least US ambassadors.)

[mschuster91]

> Companies should be constantly worried about retention across all their positions and have to treat their employees well because of it.

Some large ones went the other way with collusion and undocumented "blacklists".

[rightbyte]

The hazing is real, ye. Working at real companies really made me reevaluate the notion of companies as 'rational' market participants.

Even that they act in their self interest for profit.

It is like business owners that rather go out of business than paying market wage for their employees.

The 'boss class' is an actor of their own, capitalists be damned.