[bsder]

> Lots of very smart people have worked very hard on Python tools written in Python, yet the rust rewrites of those tools are so much faster.

So?

Some tool got written and did its job sufficiently well that it became a bottleneck worth optimizing.

That's a win.

"Finishing the task" is, by far, the most difficult thing in programming. And the two biggest contributors to that are 1) simplicity of programming language and 2) convenience of ecosystem.

Python and Javascript are so popular because they tick both boxes.

[tyree731]

Don’t disagree about finishing the task, but personally I don’t find more performant languages any less productive for the sort of programming I tend to do.

[bsder]

Congratulations on being a programming god. This discussion isn't for you.

From my point of view, I'm happy if I can convince my juniors to learn a scripting language. Okay? I don't care which one--any one. I'd prefer that they learn one of the portable ones but even PowerShell is fine.

I have seen sooooo many junior folks struggle for days to do something that is 10 lines in any scripting language.

Those folks who program but don't know a scripting language far outnumber the rest of us.

[fredrikholm]

> I have seen sooooo many junior folks struggle for days to do something that is 10 lines in any scripting language.

> Those folks who program but don't know a scripting language far outnumber the rest of us.

What domain are you in? This sounds like the complete inverse of every company I've ever worked at.

Entire products are built on Python, Node ect, and the time after the initial honeymoon phase (if it exists) is spent retrofitting types on top in order to get a handle, any handle, on the complexity that arises without static analysis and compile time errors.

At around the same time, services start OOM'ming left and right, parallellism=1 becomes a giant bottleneck, JIT fails in one path bringing the service performance down an order of magnitude every now and then etc...

> Congratulations on being a programming god. This discussion isn't for you.

On the behalf of mediocre developers everywhere, a lot of us prefer statically typed languages because we are mediocre; I cannot hold thousands of implicit types and heuristics in my head at the same time. Luckily, the type system can.