[Majromax]

> The bar for self driving isn’t «does it never kill anyone», it’s «does it kill people less than manual driving».

Socially, that's not quite the standard. As a society, we're at ease with auto fatalities because there's often Someone To Blame. "Alcohol was involved in the incident," a report might say, and we're more comfortable even though nobody's been brought back to life. Alternatively, "he was asking for it, walking at night in dark clothing, nobody could have seen him."

This is an emotional standard that speaks to us as human, story-telling creatures that look for order in the universe, but this is not a proper actuarial standard. We might need FSD to be manifestly safer than even the best human drivers before we're comfortable with its universal use.

[LadyCailin]

That may be true, but I think I personally would find it extremely hard to argue against when the numbers are clearly showing that it’s safer. I think once the numbers are unambiguously showing that autopilots are safer, it will be super hard for people to argue against it. Of course there is a huge intermediate state where the numbers aren’t clear (or at least not clear to the average person), and during that stage, emotions may rule the debate. But if the underlying data is there, I’m certain car companies can change the narrative - just look at how much American hates public transit and jaywalkers.