[defrost]

> European history is of course very strongly predominantly white

"White" ?

In the context of the thinking in Europe at the time of Verne .. what is "white"?

eg: The Races of Europe: A Sociological Study (1899) - Ripley

    Ripley classified Europeans into three distinct races: Teutonic [..] Mediterranean [..] Alpine [..]

    Ripley's tripartite system of race put him at odds both with others on the topic of human difference, including those who insisted that there was only one European race, and those who insisted that there were at least ten European races (such as Joseph Deniker, whom Ripley saw as his chief rival). 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Races_of_Europe_(Ripley_bo...

> unless you try to push ridiculous ideas like 'Italians are not white'

Most people of the time accepted as "obvious" that Italians were not Germanic in race ...

[Majestic121]

You're talking about the general history of Europe, and the vision in our current culture, why are you trying to push an obsolete taxonomy "of the time" ?

[defrost]

> You're talking about the general history of Europe

I'm referencing ideas current in the time of Jules Verne ..

> and the vision in our current culture

I made no reference to current notions ..

> why are you trying to push an obsolete taxonomy "of the time" ?

I'm doing no such thing. FWiW I think the ideas cited from 1899 were wrong then and still wrong today.

Perhaps you might try reading more carefully?

[Majestic121]

> "People in Europe are white" is really something you just hear from people without any European historical culture, and/or people wanting to sell a racist ideology

That's clearly talking about current notions, and not "current in the times of Jules Vernes"

Your request for me to "read more carefully" is very much unwelcome : stand by your own writing instead of trying to shift the meaning

[defrost]

> That's clearly talking about current notions, and ...

written by somebody other than myself.

> Your request for me to "read more carefully" is

again restated. Please read more carefully, pay attention to who said what, and don't falsely take the wrong people to task over what other people said.

We all make mistakes, perhaps you can now recognise and acknowledge yours.

Okay?