[pushupentry1219]

Honestly I used to be on the strict noscript JavaScript hate train.

But if your site works fast. Loads fast. With _a little_ JS that actually improves the functionality+usability in? I think that's completely fine. Minimal JS for the win.

[OtomotO]

Absolutely.

I want the basic functionality to work without JS.

But we have a working application and users are not hating it and used to it.

We rely on modals heavily. And for that I added (custom) JS. It's way simpler than alternatives and some things we do are not even possible without JS/WASM (via JS apis to manipulate the DOM) today.

I am pragmatic.

But as you mentioned it, personally I also use NoScript a lot and if a site refuses to load without JS it's a hard sell to me if I don't know it already.

[avidphantasm]

Building a new app at work using Web Components and WebSockets for dynamism. I’m using Bulma for CSS, which is still about 300KiB. However, the site loads instantly. I’m not using a Javascript framework or bundler or any of that (not even npm!), just vanilla Javascript. It’s a dream to program and I love not having the complexity of a framework taking up space in my brain.

[starspangled]

What do you use that good javascipt for? And what is the excessive stuff that causes slowness and bloat? I'm not a web programmer, just curious.

[_heimdall]

My rule of thumb is to render HTML where the state actually lives.

In a huge majority of cases I come across that is on the server. Some things really are client-side only though, think temporary state responding to user interactions.

Either way I also try really hard to make sure the UI is at least functional without JS. There are times that isn't possible, but those are pretty rare in my experience.

[graemep]

Two examples that come up a lot for me:

1. filtering a drop down list by typing rather than scrolling through lots of options to pick one 2. Rearranging items with drag and drop

The excessive stuff is requiring a whole lot of scripts and resources to load before you display a simple page of information.

[LtWorf]

Doesn't the combo box input field already do this?

[graemep]

You are right, it does.

A better example would be dynamically loading the list of options where it is very long and loading the entire list would make the page size much larger.