[throwaway562if1]

AIUI the numbers are for accidents where FSD is in control. Which means if it does a turn into oncoming traffic and the driver yanks the wheel or slams the brakes 500ms before collision, it's not considered a crash during FSD.

[Uzza]

That is not correct. Tesla counts any accident within 5 seconds of Autopilot/FSD turning off as the system being involved. Regulators extend that period to 30 seconds, and Tesla must comply with that when reporting to them.

[kelnos]

How about when it turns into oncoming traffic, the driver yanks the wheel, manages to get back on track, and avoids a crash? Do we know how often things like that happen? Because that's also a failure of the system, and that should affect how reliable and safe we rate these things. I expect we don't have data on that.

Also how about: it turns into oncoming traffic, but there isn't much oncoming traffic, and that traffic swerves to get out of the way, before FSD realizes what it's done and pulls back into the correct lane. We certainly don't have data on that.

[concordDance]

Several people in this thread have been saying this or similar. It's incorrect, from Tesla:

"To ensure our statistics are conservative, we count any crash in which Autopilot was deactivated within 5 seconds before impact"

https://www.tesla.com/en_gb/VehicleSafetyReport

Situations which inevitably cause a crash more than 5 seconds later seem like they would be extremely rare.

[rvnx]

This is Autopilot, not FSD which is an entirely different product