[megadal]

Have you ever read the source code for Microsoft's ilasm compared to Mono ilasm?

Anyway, EF is cool, but probably every .NET dev has an EF/LINQ performance related horror story (the generated queries are ridiculous).

A self compiling language is more impressive to me than ASP.NET MVC.

And C# is just lacking for what is actually capable in CIL bytecode. Or _was_ when I last used.

There have definitely been improvements, but in my opinion, they have just been kind of slow.

When I think of Microsoft's impact on .NET and it's culture, I think of stuff like SOAP, the SmtpClient, breaking changes in APIs every year and the technical debt left by it, the dogmatic fanboys, etc...

[neonsunset]

ilasm is for manually writing IL-based programs in text format, a rather rare use-case. How is this related to LINQ?

[megadal]

It's related to MS contribution to .NET which is the subtopic of this particular thread.

[neonsunset]

I don't see how it is related is relevant to this discussion. Is there a specific point you would like to make?

> probably every .NET dev has an EF/LINQ performance related horror story (the generated queries are ridiculous)

> There have definitely been improvements, but in my opinion, they have just been kind of slow.

> much of C#'s lag is owed to Microsoft's contribution to .NET being mostly technical debt. Almost everything good that came out of .NET came from open source/non MS teams (like Mono).

Do you actively use .NET (any modern target in the last, say, 3-4 years or so)?

[megadal]

> I don't see how it is related is relevant to this discussion.

Because it was brought up as a subtopic in my original comment and someone quote responded directly to it.