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by jasonlotito 5095 days ago
> Nobody seriously criticizing PHP is ridiculing people working with it.

I rarely see this. I've found it hard to find a good criticism of PHP that doesn't find a way to insult it's user base.

Probably the best criticism of PHP has come from Jeff Atwood's recent post[1] (and even he couldn't go the post without slinging immature, and downright vulgar insults).

1. http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2012/06/the-php-singularity...
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j_col 5095 days ago
That's exactly what I'm talking about, it's insulting and it disappoints me that all of the recent HN threads have been full of similar insults. Their arguments always seem to boil down to "my hammer is better than your hammer, and you're an idiot for choosing the wrong hammer, but luckily I am here to re-educate you".
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flatline3 5095 days ago
PHP is so incredibly bad as to have no redeeming qualities to the language whatsoever other than its simplicity in deployment.

Whereas I can have reasoned conversations with proponents of most modern languages, PHP is simply and unequivocally a complete and total failure of a language, and there is resultantly absolutely no room for concession when discussing the language.

PHP is broken and should never be used, and if there are use cases that the alternatives don't address, we should work to address them.

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jasonlotito 5095 days ago
> PHP is broken and should never be used, and if there are use cases that the alternatives don't address, we should work to address them.

What alternatives meet your standards of not sharing qualities of PHP while matching the quality of simplicity in deployment (of which Python and Ruby instantly fail)?

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flatline3 5095 days ago
I don't think any language matches the simplicity of deployment, but outside some very constrained use cases in environments where there can not be sufficient technical expertise and staffing, deployment doesn't begin to justify the technical travesty of PHP.

In a corporate technology organization there is no justification.

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jasonlotito 5093 days ago
I assume then that there are also no languages that don't share qualities with PHP?
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