[Teever]

It's not freedom if a government is coercing people into making this desperate 'choice' by failing to provide a reasonable level of social support for the disabled that would prevent them from wanting to end their lives.

People on welfare shouldn't be afraid that they're going to end up homeless because the government is implementing wildly out of control immigration policies and piss poor zoning and permitting that is wildly driving up the cost of living beyond what their non indexed to inflation welfare covers.

[vitehozonage]

People can and will kill themselves regardless of whether there is legal euthanasia. Regardless of euthanasia there has never been a sufficient level of social support for people in certain situations, and i highly doubt there will ever be. Removing the possibility of euthanasia does literally nothing except force people to die without dignity, alone, in pain, by brutal methods

[llm_trw]

The issue here is that government is using murder to solve housing. This was a conservative fever dream 10 years ago. We now have credible claims it's happening.

[nickff]

How was this a “conservative fever dream”? The majority of advocacy for assisted suicide seems to originate from the left-wing, as does the majority of advocacy for restrictive zoning.

[big-green-man]

You're in agreement you just misunderstood. He's saying, to paraphrase, that the conspiracy theories keep eventually showing to be true, it's not a good look for the left that they keep demonstrating how the slippery slope is real, etc.

Conservative people were calling this abhorrent, that people will be euthanized by their aptly named health care system due to lack of aptly named welfare, killed to maintain cost efficiency, and were dismissed as religious loons who want to restrict the right to bodily autonomy because suicide is a sin by scaremongering. Hence fever dream. Well now, that fever dream is proven to be a reality and we risk losing the principle of bodily autonomy in the public consciousness as the public learns that doctors are offing people because they're homeless.

[bathtub365]

“Death panels” were a talking point from American conservatives in the late 2000’s referring to the eventual end point of a fully liberalized healthcare system. A panel of bureaucrats that would decide who does and doesn’t get medical care, effectively killing those who weren’t selected to get care. It was considered ridiculous and not grounded in reality at the time, i.e, a fever dream. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_panel

[beedeebeedee]

minor knit-pick: immigration policies are not driving the cost of living crisis

[Teever]

The current immigration minister of Canada disagrees with that assessment.[0]

[0] https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/immigration-housing-crisis-...

[beedeebeedee]

At the bottom of the article you linked: "Hulchanski said that focusing on immigration as a cause, and promising to reduce it in order to bring housing costs down, is 'just another way of avoiding the real discussion, that we need systemic change.'"

Focusing on immigration is convenient (riles up nativists and doesn't threaten entrenched interests), but it is not what is causing the housing crisis or inflation

[tubalcain]

Mass importation of cheap labor and rent serfs certainly does have an effect on worsening the cost of housing for citizens. It's simple supply and demand economics. To dismiss criticism of the current human quantitative easing that's occurring as merely nativism is reductive. The smart money is buying property because they know there will always be demand for it. Adding over 1 million people a year to the nation ensures that their investments will remain profitable. People talk about systemic change but I wonder what that would be. Effective policies that would have prevented this situation would have been a reasonable immigration strategy coupled with stricter application of money laundering penalties, but that horse is out of the barn now.

[Teever]

"David Hulchanski, a professor of housing and community development at the University of Toronto's Factor-Inwentash Faculty of Social Work" is not the current immigration Minister in Canada.

Marc Miller is the current immigration Minister and you can see his comment on immigration in the video on that link.

[tubalcain]

What's your reasoning here?

[beedeebeedee]

corporate pricing is driving inflation. housing as an investment is driving the price of rent (in addition to collusion on pricing through RealPage, et al)

[rendang]

How is it conceivable that huge numbers of immigrants coming in every year don't drive up housing prices?