[conductr]

Glad you wife’s outcome was good as well.

When it’s cancer, you have to move quick. I knew that from my experience in the clinical setting. That was over 20 years ago now but I still remember when a biopsy or specimen tested positive they’d want to know STAT and would then be calling the patient back in to discuss options immediately. The OR schedule would change to accommodate new cases and such. Outside the ER and Code events, most things in the hospital seemed to move slow especially the outpatient stuff. But as soon as C was involved doctors everyone wanted everything done yesterday.

It’s a good point on insurance as that’s the most common delay/blocker from how doctors would want to proceed. My wife’s young age (denser breast tissue) required a special type of imaging to detect. Insurance didn’t want to pay for it and it was something like 20x more expensive than the normal type. We went ahead and paid, thankfully we could, and her oncologist fought with the insurance a bit about why he justified it. Eventually we got reimbursed. The doctors apparently used her case to help build a new insurance-approved standard for imaging of young high risk patients, which is pretty cool byproduct of our stress.

It was a similar scary high growth type cancer, between the time the imaging was confirmed and a week or two later when it was surgically removed it had growth from 1.8mm to 3.5mm diameter. Which was still considered extremely early detection from what we were told. If she was not already aware of her brca risk and seeing an oncologist annually, it might have been much larger and likely metastasized possibly in the lymph nodes by the time it was discovered. Scary stuff, you guys did the right thing acting quickly for sure. I spent a good portion of my career in healthcare finance, and see how decisions are made regarding capitalistic agendas and have experience the patient side of these decisions as well, needless to say I’m strongly in favor of socializing healthcare and even removing the profit motive entirely. Some things shouldn’t be investments. It bothers me that all those against it are just ignorant to the existence of these kinds of issues and have been fear mongering. I think we have current resources to “do it right” if we put the proper thought and execution into it.

[linsomniac]

The proposal of making smaller healthcare groups so that healthy people aren't paying for sick people to make it more fair is exactly the wrong direction to go as a society, IMHO. And I say that as a person who has spent fairly small amounts over my life. We can basically guarantee that with the exception of early, cheap deaths, that everyone is going to need healthcare. Spreading it out among everyone just makes sense to me.

[conductr]

I'm of similar opinion. Tying it to employer makes no sense in our current world. People change jobs all the time. And I've seen boardroom decisions where we decide not to cover a drug on insurance because only 1 person takes it and it is very expensive and we only employ 100 people. Meanwhile, we all know damn well exactly who that one person is. It's Pam down in Accounting, she's open with her battle with MS/Cancer/etc. And, that's not insurance! The fact that it's done by CIGNA/United/etc who has millions to spread it across and the risk should have been baked into the rates we already were paying. It's just maddening.

I had to get out of Healthcare altogether after COVID and the Boardroom conversations I was a part of. The worst was we wanted to close ICU's because uptick in nursing labor was making profit margins lower than usual, never mind the fact we had a ton of cash on the balance sheet the government had given us for emergency funds - I luckily was able to win that battle and we remained open - but yeah, hedge fund owned ICU's during a pandemic...

[linsomniac]

Plot twist, my wife is an RN and she dropped out of nursing a bit before COVID because of similar shenanigans from the boardrooms: too many patients per nurse, not enough CNAs per nurse. Add to that patient families being jerks.