[tsimionescu]

I very much doubt that. I tried installing Fedora on my new laptop, and the defaults are horrible. It doesn't even support two-finger gestures on the login screen, so you have to right click in a different way before logging in.

At least it's not as bad as Ubuntu, which allowed me with a simple warning to install Nvidia drivers without a full system update, which broke the system so badly it couldn't even boot anymore, o an otherwise newly installed setup.

And Debian is horrible too, it doesn't even have a task bar of any kind (you are forced to Alt tab to switch apps, or even see which other apps are running), unless you go hunting for some extensions someone made.

All of these can be made to work decently, but calling it a good out of the box experience is laughable.

[itsoktocry]

>It doesn't even support two-finger gestures on the login screen, so you have to right click in a different way before logging in.

A default setting you don't like and have to adjust? How horrible.

>At least it's not as bad as Ubuntu, which allowed me with a simple warning to install Nvidia drivers without a full system update

So...user error?

>And Debian is horrible too, it doesn't even have a task bar of any kind (you are forced to Alt tab to switch apps, or even see which other apps are running)

Now I get it, this is satire for someone complaining about the Linux experience. Good one!

[tsimionescu]

> A default setting you don't like and have to adjust? How horrible.

No, even after adjusting the settings, they only apply after you log in. So every time you hit the login screen, you get the default settings again until you log in.

> So...user error?

Yes, of course. And it's well known that the penalty for user error is supposed to be complete failure to boot, especially for people new to a system.

> Now I get it, this is satire for someone complaining about the Linux experience. Good one!

Maybe throw in some constructive ideas rather than empty grandstanding? Is it supposed to be a good thing to not have a list of running apps? Is it normal to have to install extensions to your desktop environment to make it work for common worlflows?

I am not complaining about defaults here, there is just no option in Gnome to get a basic bit of UI working like all other desktop environments have worked for 30 years, including Mac, Windows, KDE, XFCE, and past Gnomes. You have to discover and install 3rd party software to get basic UI. This would be like someone launching a new browser that doesn't support tabs out of the box, and people saying "oh, don't complain, there's an extension someone else made that adds tab support".

And note that I'm specifically criticizing the out of the box experience, not the state you can get your system to: I was specifically responding to a claim that the out of the box experience is "great".