[JumpCrisscross]

Nobody claims renewables + battery doesn't work long term. (And not only work, but do so at rock-bottom costs.)

The problem is the timeline. Time out building that additional infrastructure, including expected demand growth, and you always need more power in the interim. Particularly if you're planning on taking coal offline.

If there is an arugment that we can ramp up battery production even faster than we are, the math changes. But we're already in a Herculean effort to mass produce more batteries faster.

[iknowstuff]

nuclear literally takes 10x the time to build as renewables+batteries. That's like the whole reason why it doesn't get built.

[sien]

During the Messmer plan the French installed 56 reactors in 15 years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_in_France#Messme...

So you're saying that in 1.5 years the same thing can now be done with renewables and batteries?

In 2027 it will easily have been done in a bunch of places ?

[throw0101d]

> During the Messmer plan the French installed 56 reactors in 15 years.

Canada (mostly Ontario) built 25 reactors in 35 years:

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_in_Canada#Power_...

From the 1980s to the 2000s, it took Japan roughly 4-5 years between start of construction and commercial operation for a number of reactors:

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_commercial_nuclear_rea...

[adrianN]

Start of construction is many years after start of the project though.

[pfdietz]

And now that's not realistic, given their track record on EPR.

[pfdietz]

Battery manufacturing capacity is greatly underutilized in China. That was battery cell prices there fell by nearly 1/2 in the last year. There is tremendous room for expansion of production.