[matheusmoreira]

> There’s no censorship.

> Freedom to do something doesn’t imply impunity for committing crimes in the process of expressing your political beliefs.

Those two statements contradict each other. One can't criminalize political beliefs and simultaneously claim that there is no censorship of political beliefs.

The man had his social media presence blocked for his wrongthink. That is censorship.

> There’s zero far-left in mainstream politics in Brazil

There must be dozens of political parties with communism and socialism right in the name. Not social-democracy, not social-anything. Straight up socialist and communist parties. Why is this allowed?

And it's not just the names either, as is often claimed. They are very much socialists in their proposals and public policies. Why are these ideas allowed to spread and proliferate?

[rbanffy]

> Those two statements contradict each other.

No. Censorship is preventing you from saying something. Arresting you for committing a crime is not censorship. Germany is a democracy where you’ll land in jail for defending the creation of a nazi party. Is that censorship?

> with communism and socialism right in the name.

Is anyone actually proposing the abolition of private property and the seizure of the means of production by the proletariat?

[matheusmoreira]

> Censorship is preventing you from saying something.

That's exactly what happened. His channel was blocked by order of a judge. Censorship.

> Arresting you for committing a crime is not censorship.

Criminalizing any form of political idea absolutely is political censorship. The whole purpose of heavily punishing crimes is to prevent said crimes from occurring. Punishing certain political positions is therefore equivalent to preventing said political positions from being expressed.

If we're gonna stoop to this tyranny, then I'm gonna start enumerating a whole slew of equally harmful or even worse ideas for the tyrant's perusal. Let's start with the complete erasure of socialism and communism and everything related to it, and the incarceration of every single subversive person involved with it.

Why censor nazis but not these communists? Makes absolutely no sense. If they censor nazis but refuse to censor these socialists whose dictatorial regimes have genocided their own populations, I'm gonna start drawing some very uncomfortable conclusions about the way the world works.

> Germany is a democracy where you’ll land in jail for defending the creation of a nazi party. Is that censorship?

I'm sure everybody feels righteous about banning nazis. The problem is that banning nazis is unconstitutional here in Brazil. Nazis are just a political party, the national-socialist worker's party, ironically. And in Brazil, any and all forms of political censorship is prohibited.

I have no idea what the german constitution says. Maybe it is constitutional there.

From a moral standpoint, though, I see no reason to believe it's not censorship. Plenty of consumer media depicting nazism needs to be "adapted" in order to be published in Germany. That's China tier protection against harmful ideas as far as I'm concerned. I certainly consider it to be censorship. I have no idea whether german law considers it so.

> Is anyone actually proposing the abolition of private property and the seizure of the means of production by the proletariat?

Lula has literally recorded himself saying the state should seize people's inheritances and then determine "what people need to survive" so that it can give them exactly that.

These guys are socialists and communists, there is absolutely no doubt about it. I have no idea why I have to prove this every single time. They're pretty proud of being what they are.