[jwblackwell]

Does anyone else struggle to wrap their head around a lot of this new cloud stuff?

I have 15+ years experience of building for the web, using Laravel / Postgres / Redis stack and I read posts like this and just think, "not for me".

[djtango]

From the article:

> For useful background on the first version of Durable Objects take a look at Cloudflare's durable multiplayer moat by Paul Butler, who digs into its popularity for building WebSocket-based realtime collaborative applications.

First apps that come to mind that have RT collaboration:

- Google Docs/Sheets etc

- Notion

- Miro

- Figma

These are all global scale collaborative apps, I'm not sure a Laravel stack will support those use cases... Google had to in house everything and probably spearheaded the usage of CRDTs ( this is a guess!) but as the patterns emerge and the building blocks get SAASified, mass-RT collaboration no longer becomes a giant engineering problem and more and more interesting products get unlocked

[jlokier]

> Google had to in house everything and probably spearheaded the usage of CRDTs ( this is a guess!)

Fwiw, Google Docs/Sheets etc don't use CRDTs, they use the more server-oriented Operational Transforms (OT). CRDTs were spearheaded by others.

[fastball]

Google actually uses OT for their collab.