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None of that makes the "entire argument fall apart". Sounds like he regrets doing that.

The argument that matt is doing this for the community, though, totally falls apart when we see that he is actively harming community members, and the argument that he's doing it for open source totally falls apart when we see that he tried to extort WPEngine for money into his own pocket before contriving the aforementioned pretexts.

Why just WPEngine? It seems because they're successful and he's jealous of their money (hence demanding they give it to him, and not the community).

Should matt have such a veto power over what the community wants? Put another way, the community has tolerated matt's behavior, but he keeps digging more and more – how do we stop his bad behavior?

And back to the first question: "tolerated" by who? The community embraced WPEngine and their contributions to the community. It's matt that the community can't tolerate.

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>shake down WPEngine for money into his own pocket

It's not going to Matt pocket, Matt pays that multiple folds and has done that for years. Stop making ignorant accusations.

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> It's not going to Matt pocket

Yes, it is. He demanded WPEngine pay 8% of revenues to Automattic. Not to the community. To Automattic: matt's private, for-profit corporation. The one matt runs along with a private equity friend of his. The one matt likely owns much of, too. The one matt named after himself.

Also, please stop ignoring the questions posed to you:

Should matt have such a veto power over what the community wants? Put another way, the community has tolerated matt's behavior, but he keeps digging more and more – how do we stop his bad behavior?

And back to the first question: "tolerated" by who? The community embraced WPEngine and their contributions to the community. It's matt that the community can't tolerate.

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I answered what I can but here let me put your mind at rest:

> Should matt have such a veto power over what the community wants? Put another way, the community has tolerated matt's behavior, but he keeps digging more and more – how do we stop his bad behavior?

Am I sitting on some regulatory board? What this got to do with me? if I had to propose anything it'd be form a board from all major contributors to solve this conflict and reach a resolution

> "tolerated" by who? The community embraced WPEngine and their contributions to the community. It's matt that the community can't tolerate.

No, Matt supported and invested in them for years, before you and "the community" even heard about them. He was the one there from the very beginning.

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> Am I sitting on some regulatory board? What this got to do with me

Well, I asked a simple question: Should matt have such a veto power over what the community wants? What do you think? Should he?

> if I had to propose anything it'd be form a board from all major contributors to solve this conflict

Ignoring for a moment that matt is banning contributors, rather than caring what they want: What about what the wordpress community wants? They are the most important and most numerous stakeholders here.

> No, Matt not only embraced them, he supported and invested in them for years, before you and "the community" even heard about them. He was the one there from the very beginning.

No, the community has embraced WPEngine and their contributions to the community and to Automattic's success. So who specifically are you speaking of, who merely "tolerated" WPEngine?