[lawn]

You can look at it the other way:

Russia is so far gone that even the opponents of the current leaders in Russia are crazy by western standards.

The same is true for the critics of the Ukrainan invasion. They dont want it to stop, they want to attack Ukraine even harder.

[kombine]

> Russia is so far gone that even the opponents of the current leaders in Russia are crazy by western standards.

This is all well and good, but somehow fascist Israeli leadership (not just Netanyahu but even Israeli "opposition") are totally fine according to "western standards" and receive western weapons and diplomatic support.

[lawn]

The double standard that US in particular has with providing Israel with weapons and protection vs withholding defense and capabilities with Ukraine is frankly disgusting.

(And by western standards I do not mean US standards. By western standards the genocide that Israel is committing is also horrid.)

[CBarkleyU]

Don't bother. Humans always need a good and evil, and by nature the enemy of evil has to be good.

I've had this conversation many times, it doesn't lead to anything. If Hamas is bad, then anything that Isreal does in order to eliminate Hamas, has to be good. If Russia is bad, than anything that Ukraine does, has to be good. If Putin is bad, than Nawalny has to be good. If Erdoğan is bad, than İmamoğlu has to be good.

This is obviously just as true vice versa, so it's not like the "other side" is any more reasonable to have a discussion with.

[itohihiyt]

I think my main issue is this modern need for "heros" to be beacons of all virtual who from birth never said or did anything that anyone in the future of humanity will ever disagree with. And if they fail at that they are scum.

[Geezus_42]

I don't think "crazy by western standards" applies here considering the West' treatment of Muslims. Our right wing is just as insane, uncaring, and racist.