[CydeWeys]

Some things simply are negative, sure. I think we can all agree that murder is negative on the whole, for example.

But you are making a HUGE leap here in assuming that GLP1 agonists "simply are negative". You have not remotely supported this logical leap. All studies in fact have shown that GLP1 agonists are significantly positive: That they improve health, reduce obesity, reduce all-cause mortality, etc. You are denying observed reality across a large number of double blinded, objective clinical trials.

[collingreen]

I just keep following your comments down the page and giving you upvotes.

I think folks using drugs (or meditation or habits or diet or any other thing) to intentionally make their life better is amazing and should be celebrated.

If some things are easy for you but not others try to be grateful for yourself without having to be petty or wanting others to be worse off.

[tomrod]

To be clear, I don't think GLP1 agonists are "negative." I think the blend of environmental, food supply, and other factors that led many adults, in the US and elsewhere, to need obesity intervention is the negative. GLP1 agonists are an inherent crutch.

Much like if we geoengineered cloud seeding or similar light blocking and fail to reduce CO2, the treatment masks the cause and can lead to worse outcomes globally (even if some folks are better off - and I hope they are!).

[firecall]

I don’t agree they are a crutch.

However, if they are, then modern life is a sledge hammer that’s constantly breaking your legs.

Our (US, UK, Australia and so on) life styles and food chain have created this obesity problem.

We are now a sedentary population, and low-nutrient high-calorie food is being made readily available to stressed, tired, overworked, and economically challenged people. When you are stressed and tired, you don’t make the best choices!

These drugs are not so much a crutch as they are a rescue helicopter!

We still need education though.

These drugs might reduce hunger, but they won’t stop you from consuming junk-food. People are used to overeating, and a feeling full isn’t always what’s stopping them from eating!

So we do absolutely need to address the root of problem….

[CydeWeys]

Amazingly enough, the drugs do address the root of the problem. Snacking / junk food is less appealing on them.

[neuralRiot]

>These drugs are not so much a crutch as they are a rescue helicopter!

Yes, but once you’re rescued you hopefully try to avoid falling in the same situation that lead you to have to be rescued the first time. This should be a double approach solution, a short term (the drug) and a long term ( lifestyle changes) it can be done with the second only but personal commitment is required. Besides that we, as a society, are not accustomed to “subtractive solutions” they’re simply never considered or pushed by anyone because there’s no money on them. Money is in “creating solutions” not in “eliminating problems”