[llamaimperative]

Unfortunately we know that simply convincing people to change their behavior is very, very, very fucking hard. Individuals can and do pull it off, yes, but we're talking about a society level change that needs lots of people to succeed at this.

It is empirically and demonstrably ineffective as a solution.

[nightski]

Nothing "needs" to happen. People don't have to live how you want them to.

[llamaimperative]

Thanks for your insight. What are you even doing here having a conversation if one person has no legitimate bearing on another?

Obviously no one is talking about a treadmill concentration camp here, good lord.