[mrcrumb1]

You can bikeshed in any language. Kotlin introduced a lot of optional syntactic sugar so that Java devs could choose their level of comfort with the language features. I don't really see this as a problem unless your devs are prone to this sort of bikeshedding (see: your use of "smells funny"). I've used kotlin for Android since right before it was officially supported and there has been almost no downside other than the occasional hiccup with Java/Kotlin nullability interop

[refulgentis]

Hear hear, agree whole heartedly.

Minor nit: bike shedding refers to, in the original, arguing about the color of the paint on the shed.

It follows that not all discussion is bike shedding.

In this instance, the references to C++ allude to a common best practice for programmers of avoiding custom operators, which goes far beyond an aesthetic, i.e. style, i.e. color of paint on the bike shed difference. There are engineering consequences. This also applies across languages, I'm familiar with it only from trodding the same path you are, through Swift.

Bike shedding bike shedding is indeed possible, so I won't suggest an umabiguous definition. :)

The bike shedding reference in OP is to the different flavors, but equivalent, syntactic sugar that you mention. This uses the new shiny. But this creates toxic baggage, because among other things, because to a naive implementer, there is no solid engineering reason to e.g. avoid custom operators, it's just a scarred C++ graybeard enforcing their opinion :)

[beeboobaa3]

> so that Java devs could choose their level of comfort with the language features

and thus complicating teamwork because there is no "right" way

kotlin is great for the lone cowboy. not so much for teams.

[eriksencosta]

In my previous job, we had a mid-sized team of ~34 software engineers and Kotlin worked like a charm. We set common standards and practices early on and it paid off. The lone wolves will exist regardless of the programming language. I've seen them in different flavors: Ruby, Elixir, PHP, JS, Python, Perl, Java, Kotlin, and etecetera throughout my career. It's a matter of team dynamics.

Anyway, I'm not a Kotlin die-hard but I found it quite fun to code in the language. IMHO, it has a gentle learning curve and the community has plenty of great libraries (e.g., Ktor, Koin).

Nevertheless, I think I leaned too much on using the syntactic sugar of the language when writing the docs and the introductory article. But by no means users are bound to this way of coding.

[wiseowise]

No, not in every language like in Kotlin.

I’ve never seen this amount of bikeshedding like in Kotlin. It’s as if whole identity of Kotlin developer is based on “do it differently from Java” which is super ironic for people who use JVM language.