[JumpCrisscross]

> don’t think being addicted to laziness and having a glutinous appetite is exactly comparable to say, being addicted to heroin

Based on what? The reward pathways are remarkably similar. And unlike heroin, you can't go cold turkey on eating.

[AmericanChopper]

Well the food addiction or sedentariness addiction diagnosis are a lot more controversial than a heroin addiction diagnosis, though I can see how they have some things in common. I think labelling any observable manifestation of poor impulse control as a medical addiction is more of a social trend than a legitimate scientific discovery.

The bigger difference though is that we all eat food, and for most of us includes at least some absolutely delicious food that would be incredibly unhealthy to eat in large quantities. We’re all (more or less) exposed to the “addictive substance”, it’s just some people have the ability to deprive ourselves constantly indulging that impulse, while others don’t. We don’t however, need to take small doses of heroin every day to survive.

[JumpCrisscross]

> labelling any observable manifestation of poor impulse control as a medical addiction is more of a social trend than a legitimate scientific discovery

What gives you the confidence to overrule medical professionals on this? (Note: I am not a doctor and have zero medical training.)

> We’re all (more or less) exposed to the “addictive substance”, it’s just some people have the ability to deprive ourselves constantly indulging that impulse, while others don’t

One, I’d challenge we’re all similarly exposed. I grew up in a house with no sugary sodas and plenty of leafy greens with each meal. Many people did not.

Two, we know from drug addiction that there is no global measure of addictiveness. Some people can smoke a cigarette or cigar or two, on average, per year. Others get hooked after their first draw. There is no reason to suspect something similar isn’t happening with obesity.

[AmericanChopper]

I’d say it stops being a useful descriptor at that point. If any activity that a person can possibly find rewarding in any way can be addictive, then everything is addictive. Because for any activity that you can possibly think of, you’ll find definitely find somebody who likes doing it.

By this criteria, I’m sure you’ll be able to find at least one eating glass addict somewhere in the world. But if we can stretch the definition to include glass as an addictive substance, then it kinda stops meaning anything at all.

And when I say these innovative addiction diagnoses are controversial, I mean within the community of clinical experts, which they are.

[Eumenes]

Based on common sense. Not everyone has tried heroin, but most people have overgorged themselves - maybe eaten too much ice cream or candy or pizza. I am guilty of that, and make sure to make it a rare occurrence and keep myself in shape.

[JumpCrisscross]

> Not everyone has tried heroin, but most people have overgorged themselves

You're assuming everyone who tries heroin becomes an addict. At first glance it looks like "approximately 1 to 12 months after heroin onset, an estimated 23% to 38% of new heroin users have become dependent on heroin" [1]. By coincidence, that seems to mirror American obesity prevalence [2]. (Obviously heroin is more addictive than food. Don't do heroin.)

[1] https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/fullarticle/...

[2] https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/php/data-research/adult-obesity-...