[doytch]

> Actually it would sort of be nice if these frameworks could be coded such that if I have JavaScript shut off, it just runs the code elsewhere and sends me the site.

Remix does!

Actually, most (all?) of the major frameworks will do SSR on pageload and only use client-side rendering for re-renders. But yeah, Remix will do exactly what you're asking for and force you to do full-page refreshes without JS. If that's what you really want.

[bee_rider]

Nice! This seems like a reasonable compromise.