[smeg]

Python3 and Perl6 can both fuck off.

I look forward to the day PyPy is considered the real Python. Look at PyPy's homepage (http://pypy.org/), doesn't even mention Unicode as a significant feature. Instead it talks about speed, security, concurrency, and compatibility with the current real Python (2.7.2) - all the things real Python programmers care about and expect the Python developers to focus on.

PyPy may be some way off but I want to find the developers and hug them for setting the right vision and trying.

I just donated $50 and if you hate Python3 you should too.

[sho_hn]

Or if you really like Python 3 (as I do!) you can donate those $50 to Python 3 support in PyPy: http://pypy.org/py3donate.html

[lclarkmichalek]

Any reason they can "fuck off"? Anyway, you're incorrect about pypy. "Real" python developers will likely not run their code in a sandboxed environment, so PyPy's security advantages are minimal, added to the fact that your sandbox is only as good as its configuration. The concurrency is interesting, but there are numerous other solutions available, and that alone makes it unlikely that the de facto implementation of the language would include one. Claiming that PyPy is better on compatibility than CPython is ridiculous; last time I looked, anything using a C extension had to be rewritten to use ctypes. On speed, yes PyPy is impressive. But in python, anything that is particularly CPU intensive should probably be written as a C extension and PyPy takes a hit when using ctypes iirc. In general, I don't see the point of people trying to optimize generic python code. Most code never gets profiled, and most code isn't a problem. At least, not a problem enough to switch interpreter. Definitely not a problem enough to ignore the massive problem that is python 2.x's unicode implementation.

[Deestan]

> all the things real Python programmers care about

Guess I'm not a real programmer, then, since I find proper Unicode handling to be a welcome feature, and find the implementation in Python2 is painful.

[Marwy]

I think you should take a walk, and then come back and read this ridiculous stuff you wrote.

[dbaupp]

It's easy to dismiss nice builtin Unicode support if you are an English speaker in an English speaking country where all applications you write can conveniently ignore other alphabets without meeting any complaints or problems.