[stackskipton]

Modern systems are complex generally. If it's not Kubernetes with YAML files, it's a bunch of servers in VMware which is own ball of wax followed by extensive Ansible/Puppet/Chef setup and SREs who keeping entire architecture in their head since they don't have time to write it down.

Obviously, there is exact opposite with stuff like fly.io but they can be extremely constraining.

[martinbaun]

Yeah, I really liked Heroku and I used it for so many years, but it also killed itself kinda. It could never reduce prices as all machines "was the same" and thus a reduction in price meant lose of revenue and now they're just super expensive comparably.

Now I just dump Caddyserver and install things bare metals servers. I avoid all dependencies like the plague