[gamblor956]

From our earliest days, our highest priority has always been our customers. WP Engine can hardly say the same.

Yes, that's why WordPress silently and secretly licensed back the WordPress trademarks to Matt's for-profit company without telling anybody. For the good of the customers.

That's why they forced the new boondoggle editing UI that everyone hates. For the good of the customers.

That's why the WordPress code is still spaghetti more than 15 years after it was originally launched. For the good of the customers.

Matt also seems very proud of his new, shady lawyer, who failed to disclose that he had cases before the Supreme Court when he endorsed Gorsuch and Kavanaugh for open spots. Gorsuch and Kavanaugh have since reciprocated by ruling for this guy's clients every time, in several cases with decisions that confounded even conservative legal experts. So, it would seem Matt found a dirty lawyer to represent his dirty case. (EDIT: Katyal is the lawyer who suggested corporations should be immune from anti-trafficking laws because it would be bad for business and got his endorsee pals to bless corporate wage theft. He's the kind of lawyer companies turn to when they want to get away with something truly evil.)

We vehemently deny WP Engine’s allegations—which are gross mischaracterizations of reality

Based on Matt's gross misrepresentations of reality on yesterday's thread, the only party to this case making gross mischaracterizations of reality is Matt.

If WordPress were truly an independent, community-led organization like Matt claims, he would have been forced out by now for the harm he's inflicted upon it.

[FireBeyond]

> Yes, that's why WordPress silently and secretly licensed back the WordPress trademarks to Matt's for-profit company without telling anybody. For the good of the customers.

On the very same day Matt released a press release patting himself on the back for doing so, and how deeply devoted to the community he was. Indeed the press release specifically talked about how this ensured WordPress would never be unduly influenced by for-profit companies!

[ValentineC]

The various articles back then also omitted that the trademark licence is perpetual and irrevocable.

[dumbledoren]

> That's why the WordPress code is still spaghetti more than 15 years after it was originally launched. For the good of the customers.

Thats actually true. Backward compatibility was and still is the #1 thing in WP, and its why it won over the web: No small business or individual customer cares about 'better code' in the backend if those 'improvements' break their websites. This was what a lot of wordpress competitors did in the past and they suffered for it.

[gamblor956]

No, the spaghetti code has always been bad for customers. Security exploits, hacked-together functionality that can't be improved until Matt decides to make the breaking change that forcibly breaks hundreds of plugins, etc., random bugs that nobody understands, poor performance requiring expensive and extensive modifications to achieve basic levels of responsiveness that makes even Java look like a speedster.

Backwards compatibility is just the excuse Matt has been using from the beginning to justify how abysmally bad the code is.

[dumbledoren]

> No, the spaghetti code has always been bad for customers

Never ever seen one single non-technical website owner or user complain about 'spaghetti code'. As for 'code quality affecting other things', that's our (programmers') exaggeration:

> Security exploits, hacked-together functionality that can't be improved

NASA, White House, CNN, Reuters, Techcrunch and a thousand other gigantic organizations use Wordpress and they arent getting hacked.

Neither any of the small to medium businesses that use wp for their own websites, marketing sites or ecommerce sites - as long as they keep their site and plugins updated.

> poor performance requiring expensive and extensive modifications to achieve basic levels of responsiveness

I dont know where you are pulling that out from. Default wp can do 1.5 seconds load time from start to finish and get 99, 100, 99 scores in google page speed. Even with a good theme, its still as fast.

> Backwards compatibility is just the excuse

Its not the excuse. Its the #1 concern of small and medium businesses and individuals, and whenever it was violated WP or any plugin, droves of them left the WP ecosystem or stopped using such plugins.

Really, what we concern ourselves as programmers and what the overwhelming majority of users on the internet concern themselves with, have a huge chasm in between them.

[blackqueeriroh]

“failed to disclose?”

In what world was anyone in the Senate unaware that Neal Katyal, the _former acting U.S. Solicitor General_, was suing the Trump administration over its travel ban on behalf of _the entire state of Hawaii_?

Furthermore, while I just don’t care about this WordPress case and I hate Gorsuch with the fires of a thousand burning suns, but I cannot stand people arguing in bad faith, no less than *The Washington Post* let the whole world know before Katyal introduced Gorsuch that this was the case. [0]

[0] https://wapo.st/3XZhy2u