[ClassAndBurn]

This will not be true for future frameworks, though it is likely true for current ones.

Future frameworks will be designed for AI and enablement. There will be a reversal in convention-over-configuration. Explicit referencing and configuration allow models to make fewer assumptions with less training.

All current models are trained on good and bad examples of existing frameworks. This is why asking an LLM to “code like John Carmack” produces better code.. Future frameworks can quickly build out example documentation and provide it within the framework for AI tools to reference directly.

[riffraff]

I don't think convention over configuration causes LLMs any problems, GitHub copilot generates code matching rails conventions quite easily for example.

[freeone3000]

Because there’s enough rails code in the training data to determine the proper conventions :) if you’re making something new without this glut of data, it’s going to be much more difficult for a coding assistant to match a convention it’s never seem before.

[skydhash]

The thing is, with some elbow grease, you can write a great plugin for your preferred editor. No need for dubious LLMs results, especially when the difficult part, code intellisense, is already solved with LSP. If you're a shop that has invested in a framework, it would be cheaper and more productive.

[riffraff]

true, but the conventions it has seen are the same across all similar domains not just same framework/language, copilot "picks up" the similarity.

What I mean is: if you name your modules consistently, say Operation::Object::Verb or Action::ObjectVerb or ObjectManager.doSomething it's really easy for the LLM to guess the next one, just as it is easy for a human.

Add a new file actions/users/update.rb and start typing "Act" and it may guess "class Actions::Users::Update, and start to fill in the code based on nearby modules, switch to the corresponding unit test and it'll fill it in too.

Source: we have our own in-house conventions and it seems copilot gets them right most of the time, ymmv.

[jimbokun]

But the new frameworks will never have anywhere near the amount of training data as established frameworks.