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by scottlamb 625 days ago
> but we're clearly talking about what serves as the base

No, you just switched usages of the word "base" mid-conversion so you could say other people are wrong?

This conversation isn't advancing anyone's understanding. It's just pedantry.
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randomdata 625 days ago
> No, you just switched usages of the word "base" mid-conversion

The original assertion was: "Apple is BSD based". While we did move to assume Apple means macOS (iOS, et. al), we stayed the course with the remainder. There is nothing about macOS that is BSD-based. Containing some BSD code does not imply that it is the base. macOS also contains curl code. Would you say macOS is curl-based?

Regardless, what you may have missed is the additional context the followed: "not Linux". The parallel to Linux in macOS is XNU. Therefore, if other systems are Linux-based as we are to infer from the original comment, then macOS is XNU-based, not BSD-based. Yes, XNU contains some BSD code, but it is not BSD. It is very much its own distinct kernel maintained independently of BSD-adjacent organizations.

> This conversation isn't advancing anyone's understanding. It's just pedantry.

It could advance someone's understanding if they were open to seeing their understanding advance. I understand not everyone is accepting of new ideas and that many fear learning something new.

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scottlamb 624 days ago
> There is nothing about macOS that is BSD-based. Containing some BSD code does not imply that it is the base. macOS also contains curl code. Would you say macOS is curl-based?

A decent chunk of the kernel was directly lifted from FreeBSD (and in bizarrely stubborn '90s-era design philosophy fashion, glued to Mach); some older stuff from NeXT came from earlier BSD codebases. I see 155 files in the ssh://git@github.com/apple-oss-distributions/xnu.gi repo that still have FreeBSD CVS version tags on them for some reason.

There is no curl code in the kernel. (If you want to be truly pedantic, and I see that you do, there is one shell script in that repo that assumes curl is installed.)

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randomdata 624 days ago
> A decent chunk of the kernel was directly lifted from FreeBSD

Sure, just as we already discussed at the very beginning of our exchange. Glad you able to learn something from our discussion, even if it has taken you an astoundingly long to time to get there. Here I was starting to think you were one of those who reject learning. I am happy to learn that you're just slow.

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scottlamb 624 days ago
I've learned you are rude and presumptive. I was previously aware of the provenance of macOS's kernel.
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randomdata 624 days ago
Rude and presumptive are traits only of humans. How did you mistake software as being human?
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