[sqeaky]

We have seen more than 100 other countries nationalize healthcare and seen it work well. Arguing against it is silly, bordering on irrational.

Capitalism simply doesn't work in an environment where one side has infinite leverage.

[s1artibartfast]

Even those countries, it is still a for profit verture. Companies are paid for products, Doctors and healthcare professionals are paid to go to work.

These other countries didn't nationalize their industries. They simply use spending controls. The government says we "will pay $X and you can take it or leave it". The US is rather rare in that we say "We will take it no matter the cost".

Companies are more or less greedy in different countries. They are the same companies!

[sqeaky]

By this logic anything that involves money ever is a for-profit venture, that clearly isn't the case.

[s1artibartfast]

Most human labor IS motivated by profit.

There can be specific individuals or organizations that seek no profit, but they are almost always working with and through other for profit entities.

To say something like an entire industry should be nonprofit is pie in the sky, which is what I am trying to highlight.

Overly broad moral sentiments like people should not seek profit when it comes to healthcare quickly break down when examined in any detail.

I think What people usually mean is simply that they think health insurance should be funded by taxes and accessible to all. Instead of simply saying this, they end up justifying it with overly broad and poorly thought out moral laws.