[sponno]

I got so upset with Docusign being too expensive and unfair, that I quit my last startup to build a new one.

I built a complete platform over the past 3 years, that doesn't require a subscription and you only pay for what you send. Give it a go if you need to send a document that needs to be signed.

https://goodsign.io

[xiconfjs]

The site is quite broken on mobile Safari:

https://up2store.de/file/4RpE3Q2fuK8Dj4S4/kjcZbp9k8srjpcx8/I...

https://up2store.de/file/4RpE3Q2fuK8Dj4S4/o71komFm2AoTGjvU/I...

[sponno]

I'm using safari all the time. Gah yes - appreciate the screenshots. I'll get that sorted tonight, I've recently rolled those two section out and missed checking it for mobile. Doh... The joys of solo development.

[OliverGuy]

Same thing on Chrome mobile

[yurishimo]

FYI, all browsers on iOS are still using WebKit for rendering. While Apple has released the browser building APIs, no vendor has managed to port a new engine yet. You didn’t specify the OS so I figured I’d mention it.

On android, browser engines are actually unique and not just fancy webview wrappers.

[idk1]

Really good job! Just a note your pricing comparison table looks a bit shady. I think you should give either your per year cost compared to the others, or put the document cost on the others. But the way you've done it makes it look like you are tricking people into thinking yours is cheaper. That's just the vibe I'm getting from it. I think that's what you want the takeaway to be there, so I'd suggest updating that slightly.

[sponno]

The others don't do a document cost, so it does make it much harder to compare.

The others just have a document limit, eg Docusign has a 100 document limit per user. Docusign has a really high cost per user (I don't charge for users, only for sends).

So it is harder to compare apples with apples – at the end of the day GoodSign is just that simple. $1.50 per send, unlimited users : )

I choose 6 – because that's about the typical team size I see with GoodSign. So that feels like a good comparison.

Thanks for pointing the pricing out - it really is that terrible! Hence why I built a product I would buy and I could understand. : )

[linsomniac]

I'd agree with @idk1, the pricing comparison is, basically, unusable.

Goodsign compares to Docusign at $45/mo * 6 users for $3,240/year, compared to $1.50 for Goodsign. Hard to imagine a team of 6 that send one document per year.

If I go to Docusign, they list a $15/mo price (Monthly) per user for 5 documents. Or a price of $3/envelope, which compares favorably to Goodsign. The $45/mo price seems to be for unlimited documents, so that'd be a breakeven of 30 documents per user per month. BUT, Docusign offers significant discounts for paying yearly (hard to imagine a team of 6 that would use a service for just a month), which adjusts the pricing to $2/document for the 5 document plan and breakeven of 17 documents on the unlimited plan.

I went to the pricing page to try to get an idea of whether I should suggest my company look at switching to Goodsign, and the page didn't help at all. The pricing page suggests that we're spending around a quarter million dollars a month on Docusign, which I know isn't the case, but without knowing how many documents we send for signing, which I don't know even an order of magnitude off hand, I can't get any idea what sort of ballpark we'd be looking at.

[sponno]

It's awesome to see so many people look at the pricing table. I can see $1.50 price is just not clear enough. I'll work on making this clearer.

>spending around a quarter million dollars a month on Docusign

That's also how I felt. I find big SaaS companies do so much to make sure you're fully locked in and they don't make it simple.

Informally - from the customers I've talked to, GoodSign is a huge saving on their Docusign bill.

I'll work on making a better pricing page.

[overhead4075]

It might be worth having a price estimate comparison calculator instead of just a table. E.g., enter the number of users, the number of docs per week/month to show estimated price.

[idk1]

That may well be the case, but I think you need to have a look at the design of this pricing grid as it is confusing or not helpful or misleading.

Perhaps some sort of slider where you can work out how yours compares to the amount of documents per month, so start with a sensible default and then show how much other services cost versus yours with, for example, 100 documents per month.

[sponno]

Fair comment – haven't tried to mislead anyone on the pricing. But I'll work to make it much clearer as I haven't put enough effort in the bottom row which shows a more fairer price comparison.

[john01dav]

I have been looking for something like this, but the pricing is too high for my use case. It needs to be comparable to just printing the document and signing with pens, or it's not generally worth it to me. It seems wild to me that something that in principal could be basically free costs so much.

[KolmogorovComp]

For the curious, the price is $1.50/envelope, which seems very reasonable (I'm not affiliated). [0]

> It needs to be comparable to just printing the document and signing with pens

When you factor in the price of buying a printer, and move the printed doc around for multiple persons to sign, it is comparable if not cheaper.

[0] https://goodsign.io

[turblety]

> When you factor in the price of buying a printer

I don't think that's a fair comparison, as you would have to compare buying a printer and pen, with buying a computer and internet connection.

[dpc050505]

You can also print stuff for like 5c a page at the library and get some cool books while you're there.

[turblety]

Can also use the library computer too.

[C0d3G4rd]

One could make the argument that the time, effort and coordination that it takes to go to the library and also coordinate a counter signature is more expensive than the cost per envelope.

[sssilver]

I generally sign my documents using macOS’s built in Preview app. I guess I pay for it when I purchase a MacBook but I get a whole lot more value.

What do web apps like DocuSign offer that Preview doesn’t?

[sponno]

Preview works great for one people signing. Not so helpful for people sending. GoodSign helps businesses to make sure that when the send a contract it does get signed and they don't forget about it (GoodSign keeps reminding you to sign). It allows two different people to sign at the same time and it doesn't matter what order. The document is saved forever, securely so you don't lose it.

[promoterr]

Well, yeah he forgot to mention Mail app (also runs on Mac) where you just click on Gray/Blue star "Sign" - and it's signed. But that's only the message right? Well - you should sign PDF before as well. Then - it's done. Don't get us wrong - I don't even check your project - which definitely deserve to exists - just saying - maybe it's not for everyone...

[paranoidrobot]

BTW, your FAQs need a bit of polish - grammatical and completeness. Some sentences cut off half way.

    "How does your API work?"   
    Yes. Our API is complete.   
    [...]  
    [...] it will attach it to your master do [newline]

[chirau]

This is nice, but I think it would be even better if you had some sort of unlimited plan or volume price (I see the $1k offer but that still is pretty high). A person conducting a survey with NDAs with 150 would find this useful, but if i am regularly conducting surveys with at least 1k people who have to sign NDAs, your pricing model becomes unfavorable.

Great job all the same, this is nice.

[sponno]

Appreciate the feedback - you probably could do something much simpler for NDA. I don't really think you need a signature, a check box would be good enough in your survey saying they've agreed to your NDA.

GoodSign works really well for multiple signers, employment contracts and small to medium startups that are want a better signing tool and document management - but don't feel like the high prices of other tools is justified.

[rexreed]

The folks from Agree.com just started up to do the same thing... what do you think of them? Sounds like one of those times when folks think the same thing at the same time?

[EasyMark]

Ooof 2fa is a pro feature ? Great prices for the services though