[tmpz22]

Right and mikestefanello/pagoda seems like a comprehensive framework combining the labstack/echo/v4 routing framework and entgo.io/ent "ORM" - among other things like HTMX and Bulma.

That is a highly opinionated grouping of tools that gets you to a poor persons version of a full stack framework that many in the Go community would flat out reject.

[leetrout]

I really don't understand the hate for a framework in "the community". I had stayed away from Go for about 3 years and I posted on r/golang asking if anything had popped up like a django in go and got nothing but hate.

I chock it up to people enjoy writing the same boiler plate stuff over and over in their paid jobs where they have the time to do it.

To your point, I've got my own set of libraries that I think are The Best™ for all my reasons that at least keep me productive.

Echo for the routing... sqlc for the db interface... I actually _love_ gomega and ginkgo for BDD but it makes people actually angry so I settle for testify and for logging we have slog now but I usually grab the logging lib from charm bracelet for nice colorized, leveled logging.

[onislandtime]

Hey, I checked your Reddit thread [1] and I see a good discussion with useful suggestions. I don't see "anything but hate" at all. There are pros and cons to using frameworks. True, many people seem to prefer to use smaller libraries. I personally don't like magic because sooner or later I lose track of what's going on and need to start guessing. With direct code I can understand faster without having to read docs and layers of source code. It's all about finding the right balance of abstractions.

1 - https://www.reddit.com/r/golang/comments/1anmoqg/what_go_lib...

[leetrout]

Fair. Maybe this is good evidence of my naturally pessimistic disposition. I was quite active with the initial replies and didn't feel like it was giving any credit to a framework.

[pepelotas]

I liked gomega and ginkgo when I worked with it. But by virtue of running tests serially, the race detection becomes useless during testing, and I think it's a must have. Has it changed?

[leetrout]

I have no idea. I never considered that it would affect using the race detector and it's been so long now I don't know that we cared / ran into this issue so no clue if it has been fixed.

Thanks for opening my eyes to this shortcoming.

[cgg1]

The best thing I’ve found is beego: https://github.com/beego/beego

Not affiliated in any way, but to me it’s better than most of the alternatives

[joshlemer]

And since it isn't a "framework" but rather just a wired up collection of libraries, it would be pretty simple and even a good learning process to change out the couple of libraries one doesn't like (say, in case they prefer not to use ent, and backlite).