[high_na_euv]

>How did we let discord take over is a mystery to me, or rather a tragedy.

Orders of magnitude better product than anything competition had at the time?

[doublerabbit]

> Orders of magnitude better product than anything competition had at the time?

Nah, it just comes down to non-techy folk wanting to play/chat with their friends in a just-work configuration.

Mumble, TeamSpeak were always janky, needed a hosted server. IRC is multiplayer notepad.

Geeks care about E2E, and all that glory but these folks don't. And that's what Discord dishes; as did Y!M, MSN, ICQ, AIM back in the day.

All discord has done is replaced those above as GitHub has replaced SourceForge.

We didn't care if the message were encrypted or not back then. Why do we now?

[StableAlkyne]

> Geeks care about E2E

*Some* geeks. Specifically those who are into encryption.

There is nothing wrong with wanting an application to just work, especially when it's significantly better than what came before (contemporary competitors were Skype and IRC)

[pphysch]

You're just describing why Discord was a much better product.

[high_na_euv]

I used all

Ventrilo mumble ts3 skype

Discord was way better and had more features and was more safe than self hosted alternatives