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by Athas 629 days ago
Why not essentially treat it as a cross compilation scenario? NixOS is also source based, but I don't think such a migration would be particularly difficult. You'd use the 32-bit off_t gcc to compile a glibc with 64-bit off_t, then compile a 64-bit off_t gcc linked against that new glibc, and so on. The host compiler shouldn't matter.

I always understood the challenge as binary compatibility, when you can't just switch the entire world at once.
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codys 629 days ago
Nixos has it easier here because they don't require packages to be "installed" before building code against them. For Gentoo, none of their build scripts (ebuilds) are written to support that. It's plausible that they might change the embuild machinery so that this kind of build (against non-installed packages) could work, but it would need investigation and might be a difficult lift to get it working for all packages.

"treat it as a cross compilation scenario" is essentially what the post discusses when they mention "use a different CHOST". A CHOST is a unique name identifying a system configuration, like "x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu" (etc). Gentoo treats building for different CHOSTs as cross compiling.

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andrewaylett 629 days ago
NixOS isn't the same kind of source-based. At some level, even Debian could be said to be source based: there's nothing stopping you from deciding to build every package from source before installing it, and obviously the packages are themselves built from source at some point.

NixOS sits between Debian and Gentoo, as it maintains an output that's capable of existing independently of the rest of the system (like Debian) but is designed to use the current host as a builder (like Gentoo). Gentoo doesn't have any way to keep individual builds separate from the system as a whole, as intimated in the article, so you need to work out how to keep the two worlds separate while you do the build.

I think what they're suggesting winds up being pretty similar to what you suggest, just with the right plumbing to make it work in a Gentoo system. NixOS would need different plumbing, I'm not sure whether they've done it yet or how but I can easily imagine it being more straightforward than what Gentoo is needing to do.

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tadfisher 629 days ago
There absolutely will be problems with different Nix profiles that aren't updated together; for example, if you update some packages installed in your user's profile but not the running system profile. But this is common enough with other glibc ABI breakage that folks tend to update home and system profiles together, or know that they need to reboot.

Where it will be hell is running Nix-built packages on a non-NixOS system with non-ABI-compatible glibc. That is something that desperately needs fixing on the glibc side, mostly from the design of nss and networking, that prevent linking against glibc statically.

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oasisaimlessly 629 days ago
> Where it will be hell is running Nix-built packages on a non-NixOS system with non-ABI-compatible glibc.

This isn't a thing. Nix-built binaries all each use the hardcoded glibc they were built with. You can have any number of glibc's simultaneously in use.

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