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by perryh2 624 days ago
It looks awesome. I am definitely going to purchase a 14" Lunar Lake laptop from either Asus (Zenbook S14) or Lenovo (Yoga Slim). I really like my 14" MBP form factor and these look like they would be great for running Linux.
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I constantly get graphical glitches on my Zenbook Duo 2024. Would recommend against going Intel if you want to use Linux.
Intel has historically been pretty great at Linux support. Especially for peripherals like WiFi cards and GPUs.
Their "PCIe" wifi cards "mysteriously" not working in anything but Intel systems is enraging.

I bought a wifi7 card & tried it in a bunch of non-Intel systems, straight up didn't work. Bought a wifi6 card and it sort of works, ish, but I have to reload the wifi module and sometimes it just dies. (And no these are not cnvio parts).

I think Intel has a great amazing legacy & does super things. Usually their driver support is amazing. But these wifi cards have been utterly enraging & far below what's acceptable in the PC world; they are not fit to be called PCIe devices.

Something about wifi really brings out the worst in companies. :/

> not fit to be called PCIe devices

They might be CNVi in M.2 form factor, with the rest of the "wifi card" inside the Intel SoC.

  In CNVi, the network adapter's large and usually expensive functional blocks (MAC components, memory, processor and associated logic/firmware) are moved inside the CPU and chipset (Platform Controller Hub). Only the signal processor, analog and Radio frequency (RF) functions are left on an external upgradeable CRF (Companion RF) module which, as of 2019 comes in M.2 form factor.
Wifi7 has 3-D radar features for gestures, heartbeat, keystrokes and human activity recognition, which requires the NPU inside Intel SoC. The M.2 card is only a subset.
> Wifi7 has 3-D radar features for gestures, heartbeat, keystrokes and human activity recognition, which requires the NPU inside Intel SoC. The M.2 card is only a subset.

Source? Google turned up nothing.

Sounds like some LLM hallucination to me.

EDIT: Right after that I found another HN comment [0] by the same user (through a google search!)!

[-1] Interesting IEEE rfc email thread on related to preamble puncturing

misc (I have not yet read these through beyond the abstracts): A preprint in ArXiV related to the proposed spec [1] A paper in IEEE Xplore on 802.11bf [2] NIST publication on 802.11bf [3] (basically [2] but on NIST)

[-1] https://www.ieee802.org/11/email/stds-802-11-tgbe/msg00711.h... [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38811036 [1] https://arxiv.org/pdf/2207.04859 [2] https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/10467185 [3] https://www.nist.gov/publications/ieee-80211bf-enabling-wide...

> They might be CNVi in M.2 form factor, with the rest of the "wifi card" inside the Intel SoC.

Already answered:

> And no these are not cnvio parts

(Oops, CNVi not cnvio.)

Which model number(s) exhibited this behavior?
I get them also in my Lunar Lake NUC. Usually in the browser, and presents as missing/choppy text oddly enough. Annoying but not really a deal breaker. Hoping it sorts out in the next couple kernel updates.
Do you get weird checkerboard patterns as well?
Yep, but not as often. They seem to flash and disappear when I'm moving or resizing a window or something.
Give it some time. Probably needs updated drivers, intel and Linux have been rock solid for me too. If your hardware is really new it’s likely a kernel and time issue. 6.12 or 6.13 should have everything sorted.
Given the layoffs and the trajectory spiral I wouldn't be holding my breath for this.
I'm really curious about how well they run Linux. e.g. will the NPU work under Linux in the same way it does on Windows? Or does it require specific drivers? Same with the batter life - if there a Windows-specific driver that helps with this, or can we expect the same under Linux?
You can look at the NPU software stack here:

https://github.com/intel/linux-npu-driver/blob/main/docs/ove...

The Linux driver is specific to Linux, but the software on top of that like oneAPI and OpenVINO are cross platform I think.

I’d wait for LG honestly