[Gigachad]

These tools must be absolutely massively better than whatever Microsoft has then because I’ve found that GitHub copilot provides negative value, I’d be more productive just turning it off rather than auditing it’s incorrect answers hoping one day it’s as good as people market it as.

[diggan]

> These tools must be absolutely massively better than whatever Microsoft has then

I haven't used anything from Microsoft (including Copilot) so not sure how it compares, but compared to any local model I've been able to load, and various other remote 3rd party ones (like Claude), no one comes near to GPT4 from OpenAI, especially for coding. Maybe give that a try if you can.

It still produces overly verbose code and doesn't really think about structure well (kind of like a junior programmer), but with good prompting you can kind of address that somewhat.

[FridgeSeal]

My experience was the opposite.

GPT4 and variants would only respond in vagaries, and had to be endlessly prompted forward,

Claude was the opposite, wrote actual code, answered in detail, zero vagueness, could appropriately re-write and hoist bits of code.

[diggan]

Probably these services are so tuned (not as in "fine-tuned" ML style) to each individual user that it's hard to get any sort of collective sense of what works and what doesn't. Not having any transparency what so ever into how they tune the model for individual users doesn't help either.

[bongodongobob]

My employer blocks ChatGPT at work and we are forced to use Copilot. It's trash. I use Google docs to communicate with GPT on my personal device. GPT is so much better. Copilot reminds me of GPT3. Plausible, but wrong all the time. GPT 4o and o1 are pretty much bang on most of the time.

[piker]

Which languages do you use?