[apitman]

The internet is moving towards a place where it might not be possible to self-host anything important without getting DDoS'd. Companies like Cloudflare provide a solution to this problem, but that also creates a crutch that means no effort is expended to solve the problem at the root, which means the day may come when you don't have any option left other than Cloudflare.

I think these are important issues and worth talking about.

[Shakahs]

Those issues are absolutely worth discussing, in a reasonable way. Cloudflare isn't the bad actor perpetuating these DDoS attacks, and they aren't forcing website operators to use their services either.

[apitman]

They don't need to be a bad actor. They just need to be big enough and follow their incentives.

Companies aren't binary good or bad. They go through a lifecycle. Today's young and scrappy startup fighting for the people and the CEO making house calls is tomorrow's big tech with AI chat support.

It's worth noting where a company is in its lifecycle, and what the world is likely to look like if it continues to grow.

[Animats]

> Cloudflare isn't the bad actor perpetuating these DDoS attacks

How do we know that? Who else benefits from most of them?