[sixtyj]

And so nice it looked at the beginning…

Instead of WordPress, what solutions do you use?

Wix, Squarespace, Webflow, Webnode and other wysiwyg ones are even worse imho.

Are there any non-Nodejs or non-React open source CMS that don’t vendor lock you?

Because I feel that WP somehow sucks in details and maintenance, but I can’t find anything comparable without being sucked into development hell. :)

Thanks for suggestions.

[manuelmoreale]

After a few years building on WP I switched to https://getkirby.com/ and never looked back.

[sixtyj]

Thanks. It seems really good. PHP, files and folders instead of db, easy templating, plugins, admin interface built on Vue.js, open source at GitHub and a commercial license as well. Since 2012.

The only issue is to have more themes available, at getkirby-themes_com there are 22 only.

[manuelmoreale]

Because it's not designed with a theme approach. It's designed to build custom sites. Themes aren't really a thing inside kirby because of the tight relationship between content itself and admin interface. I like to think at it as an in between something like Laravel and WordPress.

[sixtyj]

I got it. But explain this to people who are spoiled by $59 themes :)

More themes that you can choose from -> more Kirby users -> stability -> more users coming from other solutions etc…

[manuelmoreale]

It's an entirely different target audience. Kirby is a tool that's designed mostly for developers, and not really for end users. There's no one-click install, there's no pressing a button to install plugins. And that's by design.

[sixtyj]

Well, in fact it was two clicks install :) I’ve downloaded it, unzipped into a folder and with PHP running I was ready… No Nodejs and React needed. These are so painful to maintain.

So Kirby is really nice to run.

And I understand your point.

[pjerem]

Are the good old PHP CMS dead ? Things like Joomla, Dotclear, Drupal …

[sixtyj]

They are not dead. The reason why WP took web by storm and Joomla and Drupal became less visible is that WP did a lot of work in instant usability - their 2 minutes’ installation changed the game imho.