[explaininjs]

Curious what you want from a jailbreak at this point? It seems all of the old things that were actually helpful have found them into first party software, or at least in the sanctioned third party. (internet tethering, emulators, side loaded apps, etc.)

[mdaniel]

I thank goodness I haven't been subjected to (mobile) Apple for many years in order to speak to what they "allow" and don't nowadays, but the short answer is that I want to *fucking own* the hardware I pay fuckloads of money to purchase

Also, while I was typing out the "I want f-droid.org for iOS" I realized there is a pragmatic answer: I want to build and distribute apps without having to pay for the right to do so, not because I am stingy but because paying is gatekeeping. Do you know how much the Joplin devs have to pay Google to put this .apk link here[1]? $0

1: https://joplinapp.org/help/install/#mobile-applications

[explaininjs]

That’s a web app, it’s on them if they don’t want to offer their services without requiring me to let them out of the web sandbox.

[mdaniel]

I presume you didn't follow the link I pointed to, which for sure points an .apk URL

Now, if you're trying to be extra cute by saying "react native is a webpage with more steps," I'm not trying to have that fight, but I can assure you with 100% confidence that Joplin's apk loads without Internet connectivity, making it not meet my definition of "a web app"

[explaininjs]

I did in fact follow the link. I actually went further than you, all the way to the GitHub, where I saw that it was actually just a web app. All TS.

And you can 100% load PWAs offline, which might be slightly more progressive than your idea of a web app, but I hope not overly so.

[dishsoap]

Wow, you have completely missed the parent poster's point!

Whether or not the specific app used as an example happens to be a webapp holds no relevance to what he was saying overall.

[fragmede]

Internet tethering is actually one that's gone backwards, with "unlimited" cellphone plans that are limited when tethering. Or plans that disable tethering even though all the software is there.

The other thing from a jailbreak would be for it to become self hosting, that is, give the ability to make full blown iPhone ipa on an iOS device without needing a macOS device anywhere at all.

[dwaite]

> Internet tethering is actually one that's gone backwards, with "unlimited" cellphone plans that are limited when tethering. Or plans that disable tethering even though all the software is there.

The internet tethering limits are in the contract though. Surely the primary goal for jailbreaking isn't just theft of service?

> The other thing from a jailbreak would be for it to become self hosting, that is, give the ability to make full blown iPhone ipa on an iOS device without needing a macOS device anywhere at all.

You can create full-fledged local apps, or publish them for free or sale in the App Store using Playgrounds on an iPad.

The primary limitations are in things like typing speed and screen real estate as well as UX complexity and side-by-side debugging, none of which directly change with an active jailbreak.

[fragmede]

> The internet tethering limits are in the contract though.

I don't recognize that 10 GiB downloaded via my phone, or via my laptop connected to my phone as different, no matter what the contract says.

> on an iPad.

I said iOS not iPadOS, but that's good to know.

[explaininjs]

As someone who does a ton of networking/routing at the link layer for a day job, I can definitely see why they’re taking measures to reduce bandwidth hogs - to the extent I might actually prefer to be on a network that has taken measures to reduce hogging vs one that has not.

When it really truly matters, like when I have a business need to download huge items in remote areas, the $10/GB+ justifies itself.

[Dylan16807]

Ironically, downloading huge items is easy to do without tethering.

And video streaming, probably most people's biggest bandwidth use, fits very well on phones.

Does anyone offer a tethering plan that's rate limited but not data limited?

[dwaite]

> Does anyone offer a tethering plan that's rate limited but not data limited?

T-Mobile in the US; they give you a set amount of high-speed tethering based on your plan, then it rate limits severely until the end of the billing cycle unless you upgrade your plan or buy a a pack of data.

[Dylan16807]

Okay, 600kbps is acceptable. Beats a lot of networks. Things are improving since I last checked.

Though with how happily and loudly they've made 1.5Mbps video excluded from data caps, it would be better if the throttled speed was at least 1.5Mbps.

[explaininjs]

Verizon after 60GB is 600kbps on 5G/4G but up to 3Mbps on UWB. Pretty reasonable IMO. It’s AT&T that’s the holdout, 128k regardless of plan, after 60GB.

[RulerOf]

> they’re taking measures to reduce bandwidth hogs

My problem with this is that it's the wrong measure.

There's no good technical reason to shape traffic to a specific rate irrespective of network conditions or capacity. All of the links in the chain support QoS.

Shaping a bandwidth hog to a tier below the rest of the users makes sense, but that's not what's going on.

[RulerOf]

I have a fairly simple list:

- a weekly, scheduled reboot of the device

- an iMessage addon that can auto-respond with `stop` to every political spam message I get

- an iMessage addon that would let me filter, categorize, and display messages in a manner I choose instead of a Big Dumb List, like we've had for email for decades

- an iMessage addon for services like Beeper

- an iMessage addon that ... I smell a pattern