[throw0101c]

> You're not going to take your cargo bike on a weekend 200km trip or to visit family on the other side of the state/country unless you're bent on doing exactly that.

How many times are those types of trips done, as compared to 'just' running errands around town? What are the fixed costs you are incurring for those presumably occasional occurrences, versus optimizing for the more likely common cases?

It's like the folks who buy pickup trucks "for towing", but:

> According to Axios, 63% of Ford F-150 drivers barely use their trucks for towing. 29% admitted to towing occasionally, while just 7% regularly tow. When properly equipped, many F-150 models can pull around 13,000 pounds.

> However, 28% of drivers say they use the truck for hauling. Meanwhile, 41% take advantage of the F-150’s hauling capabilities once in a while, and 32% are indifferent. It’s a shame considering all F-150 models can haul about 2,000 pounds.

* https://www.motorbiscuit.com/63-of-ford-f-150-owners-almost-...

Perhaps buy for what you actually do, and rent for when you need 'extra' capabilities.

[Tade0]

> How many times are those types of trips done, as compared to 'just' running errands around town?

If you have children definitely more often the former than the latter. I think it's every 2-3 weeks in my case. That's also how my father would use his car and, coincidentally his father as well.

> Perhaps buy for what you actually do, and rent for when you need 'extra' capabilities.

I did. Perhaps you shouldn't make assumptions about people's habits.

[throw0101c]

> If you have children definitely more often the former than the latter. I think it's every 2-3 weeks in my case. That's also how my father would use his car and, coincidentally his father as well.

And of the couple dozen people that I know that have kids, precisely zero take regular 200km trips. Or 100km. Or 50km for that matter. And by "regular" I mean at least once a month: certainly on some holidays to visit family, but that is at most once a quarter.

I live in Toronto, Canada, and have neighbours with family all over southern Ontario (Windsor, London) as well as a some in the Maritimes. They regularly rent larger vehicles for trips (or fly there and rent/borrow).

> I did. Perhaps you shouldn't make assumptions about people's habits.

I made no assumptionsa about people's habits. I asked how often 200km occurred in general. In the US at least, 99.2% of trips are less than 150km, with 80% being less than 15km:

* https://evstatistics.com/2021/12/99-2-of-us-daily-trips-are-...

While 'road trips' do occur, they are the minority of events:

* https://www.utires.com/articles/road-trips-survey/

For most people, most of the time, considering 200km is a waste of time (using US data). That you just happen to perhaps be in the minority does not invalidate that: you are extrapolating a need to the general public from your personal experience which isn't statistically common and very anecdotal.

[Tade0]

Well, I live in Europe and over here this is how we roll. There's plenty of places to visit within 100km and especially during the summer they're packed. You don't always have to drive, but at the same time some of the more remote places don't have a train station.

It appears that the US/Canada situation doesn't extrapolate to the rest of the world, but that's not surprising.

[throw0101c]

> Well, I live in Europe and over here this is how we roll.

I have several cousins in Europe with kids, and that is not how they roll. They rarely drive >50km.

So who should I believe: your n=1 sample size or my n>1 sample size?