[nebula8804]

Yeah this is the standard response the right wingers and the pro-corporate Dems love to give. Just really low effort as usual.

Let me propose an alternative and just try to consider it: How about we let those countries develop and if they can have a sustainable system then great, more competition is good for humanity or if it does not shake out then they will collapse or be forced to pivot and then we will know for sure.

What isn't cool is deliberately trying to cut their legs out because we want to remain unchallenged (Venezuela, Iran, Russia, China) or quietly control their government preventing any chance of democracy (This year Pakistan, a few years back Venezuela etc.)

[pragmomm]

I'm pretty sure we let Russia develop after their collapse in 1990, right up until they invaded Ukraine again in 2022. And we let China develop after they liberalized in 1979, right up until they turned dictatorship in 2017, snuffed out Hong Kong in 2019, and became close war ally with Russia in 2023. Those are pretty long time I would say.

[nebula8804]

This history is tarnished by years of propaganda on both sides. We could have a deep discussion on how this is not the case in many aspects as well as how it may be true in some cases. If I haven't made it clear already in my other responses in this thread, in geopolitics nothing is black and white. But since you gave such a typical Republican/Corporate Dem answer before I dont think you are one of those people worth wasting time on so I bid you farewell.