[vfclists]

The real question is whether is whether it is right for the judges of a country to block access to a service that the countries depend on.

For instance in the UK the government can stop local media from publishing news that is considered libellous or defamatory, or may unjustly influence court cases, but they can't stop citizens from accessing that information if it is published in a news outlet outside the country.

No one is questioning why the Brazilian judiciary should have that power. It seems rather excessive and an infringement of Brazilians rights, though that is not surprising when we live in a era when governments have taking upon themselves to decide what their citizens rights are, when human rights are supposed to be intrinsic, ie those that all fauna on the planet do.

[goofed]

> No one is questioning why the Brazilian judiciary should have that power.

Actually, millions of people are, and senators are seeking this judge's impeachment.

[vfclists]

The Western media is not mentioning that.

[PauloManrique]

> No one is questioning why the Brazilian judiciary should have that power. It

That's the point, they don't. There's nothing in the law for him to back his decisions. But we just hope for our senate to take action.

[meiraleal]

We hope he continue, Moraes has at least 50% of support :)

[PauloManrique]

Yeah, he has the support of the same people that used to hate the judges when Brazilian justice system persecuted Lula when went into jail ilegally.

In the end of the day, people just care if their political agenda is being met, it doesn't matter if it throws the country into a dictatorship.

[13415]

It's the Supreme Court, not some random small claims court. That needs to be taken into account.

[vfclists]

It makes no difference. If the people posting those tweets are Brazilian denizens why not sanction them under Brazilian laws?

Shutting down Twitter to stop them implies the Brazilian judiciary doesn't have the ability to sanction them under Brazilian law.

[13415]

AFAIK, Twitter/X was shut down in Brazil for refusing to declare a legal representative in the country which is a basic requirement for any company operating in Brazil.

On a side note, the contents an international corporation publishes can violate the law of a country even when they are not posted by citizens of that country. When they do so, and don't take down the content, they will be shut down. It works like that in every country, including the US. It pains me having to point that out since it's so obvious.

[vfclists]

And have they been shut down? Blocking access to a service through the regular channels doesn't shut it down.

For instance before the internet a Saudi dissident based in the UK used to send faxes to phones in Saudi Arabia that were critical of the Govt. I don't think the Saudi govt blocked access to phone calls from the UK on account of that.

If Brazilian enterprises are not allowed by law to trade with Twitter that does not amount to shutting it down. All you've done is block the usage of a service by most law abiding citizens which many of them probably rely on for all or a part of their living.

Twitter is operating under US law and Brazilian law only applies to their Brazilian subsidiary. If their Brazilian subsidiary has been has closed down because their parent company is not complying with Brazilian law then Brazilians are free to deal directly with the parent company under US law and jurisdiction.

[PauloManrique]

> Twitter/X was shut down in Brazil for refusing to declare a legal representative in the country which is a basic requirement for any company operating in Brazil.

Which is a pretty stretch from an older law, that was made to companies operating "phisically", opening offices, having workers and etc.

Twitter closed their offices in Brazil, so they don't need to do it anymore.

If we take the interpretation this judge is using with Twitter to everything, 99% of the internet will need to be blocked in Brazil.

[PauloManrique]

It's still illegal.

[meiraleal]

It is ilegal to be a criminal and those senators you are talking about? They will go to jail :) together with Bolsonaro. Fighting the legal system is the last strategy of convicted criminals

[PauloManrique]

Did you said the same when the same justice system did the same to Lula back in 2016? :)

[kingofthehill98]

No, it's not.

[PauloManrique]

Yes, it is. There's nothing in our laws that backs the judge ruling. And in Brazil, judges can ONLY DO what the law says, not what they think it's fair or what they want.