[AnarchismIsCool]

There are old stories of the Russians planting mines inside children's toys during some of the later cold war conflicts. This is starting to feel a bit like that. Nobody had any way of knowing who was holding those pagers when they sent that packet but they still distributed thousands of munitions throughout the populace and pressed the red button. Now there are probably at least a hundred or so still out there that haven't exploded and are just live UXO sitting in people's desk drawers.

I'd say it's pretty fucked.

[WillPostForFood]

It is morally fucked to compare trapping children's toys with trapping the communications devices of soldiers in a war.

[primroot]

Yes. Except there are credible reports of Israel also doing this in the past. "Israeli fighter planes have also attempted to kill children by dropping thousands of booby-trapped toys on Lebanese villages and towns. The Israeli occupying forces have used this method through the years and continue to do so, the most recent example being when booby-trapped toys were dropped on the town of Nabatiyah, killing and injuring children and permanently disfiguring others." https://www.un.org/unispal/document/auto-insert-180386/ https://www.lorientlejour.com/article/227779/Mariam%252C_res...

[hypeatei]

So you can guarantee every single pager went to a solider of war? By that logic, soldiers in the Ukraine war also use cellphones and drones so it's A-OKAY to implant bombs in those products too?

[shmatt]

These weren’t sold at a Best Buy.

They were purchased by a known terrorist organizations that any westerner would go to jail for having a financial relationship with .

The types of people they deal with to buy anything at all - including black market weapons and machinery - are dubious

The US does these exact same things to infiltrate Mexican cartels

[stahtops]

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[Raptor22]

Two things: 1) This is war. It's not pretty and it's never not messy.

2) This is precisely why every human, and every leader of humans, should avoid war at all costs. The image of a "clean" war is a myth. Even the Allies in WWII were not immune to this, see the bombing of Dresden[1].

Whatever you think of either side in this, it's clear that neither is doing enough to end this.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresden

[Woodi]

No, we are not "good with it".

Becouse we don't do "eye for eye" in the West.

Becouse christianity formed our societes like this. With help of Romans...

Becouse we learned about separating religion from power, law, medicine, science, etc. Some tries to get rid of religion completly but that another subject.

And it is absolutely sure US agency would not do such thing on "USA soil".

But down there is a open battle in WW3 - Israel delivered something to Ukraine and next day rockets started falling on them, fired by suicidal ponies.

[__m]

Compared to carpet bombing and leveling whole cities, we have come a long way

[jojobas]

There are acceptable levels of collateral damage.

You can bomb an ordnance storage facility even if there's a hospital right next to it (or, in fact, right not on top of it).

They've made sure the pagers were used by Hezbollah first and foremost, tough shit if few were given to kids to play.

And yes if Ukrainians were able to blow up all drones within say 50km of the front lines on the Russian side they'd be justified to do that, even if some were in civilians' hands.

[loceng]

You've been victim of what's called manufactured consent.

Why hasn't Israel allowed any investigations in Gaza, not showing evidence they're using to obliterate practically all of Palestine now, not allowing foreign journalists in either to document things?

[jojobas]

This is just a bunch of non-sequiturs.

[loceng]

It logically fits, you're just avoiding and trying to control the goal posts/scope of what's talked about.

You'd prefer we mostly only talk about Oct. 7th and afterward, right?

[golol]

Even if up to 30% of casualties were civilian this would still be quite a surgical strike in my opinion. At 50% I would not say so anymore. Nobody knows yet anyways.

[walrushunter]

How could I possibly personally guarantee that?

If your standard for engaging in military action is that they must be able to prove to you personally that their target is really a militant, you are completely delusional.

[AnarchismIsCool]

Well we're up to two children dead

[primroot]

"Israeli fighter planes have also attempted to kill children by dropping thousands of booby-trapped toys on Lebanese villages and towns. The Israeli occupying forces have used this method through the years and continue to do so, the most recent example being when booby-trapped toys were dropped on the town of Nabatiyah, killing and injuring children and permanently disfiguring others." https://www.un.org/unispal/document/auto-insert-180386/