[rafaelturk]

Meanwhile, we’re transitioning to on-premises infrastructure due to the increasing complexity of cloud services. Kubernetes and Docker are powerful platforms—we love them—but they were never meant to be cost-driven. Kubernetes is already incredibly efficient. However, surviving cloud costs and avoiding its traps requires granular cost control—far beyond just monitoring RAM, network, or CPU usage. It’s become overwhelming.

In a nutshell, any K8S deployment on-premises tends to be inherently optimized, saving a significant amount of time and resources. I have new servers and old servers in the same cluster, that is epic.

Modern FinOps often feels like a frustrating exercise: Should I choose 2x 2XXL instances or 4x 8XL instances? The conversation rarely focuses on optimizing software performance or database efficiency. Instead, the cloud has turned into a maze of cost centers, where it’s easy to get lost in ‘managing’ the cloud rather than building valuable products for end users.

[liveoneggs]

sorry optimizing sql queries isn't a priority this quarter, could you write a business justification for it so we can ask in the next sprint planning if it can be scored against our business needs?

thanks!

p.s. we got some complaints about slowness on a few pages. can you schedule some time to sync up and take a look? we need to get this solved!

[rafaelturk]

That’s exactly my point. Instead of optimizing software, FinOps nowadays focuses on optimizing costs. While they might seem similar, they couldn’t be more different. We spend 100% our time optimizing our software, databases, etc. if we need more capacity we just add a new server to the cluster. But this hard on the cloud, easy onprem.

[joeblubaugh]

Which part is hard on the cloud? Optimization or adding capacity?

[rafaelturk]

IBM thrives on complexity—that’s the core of many of their products and business model. The fact that even they are getting into ‘cloud cost optimization’ should be a signal for everyone to rethink public cloud strategies.

[crmd]

I’m not convinced that IBM’s ecosystem and business model is more complex than, say, market leader AWS.

[nickpeterson]

I’d contend IBM thrives on selling hidden complexity to those who don’t know better.

[pjmlp]

Like Linux and GCC? /s