[cldrope]

When they call Anonymous a hacking collective, you know they're either too stupid, or too corrupt to say it like it is.

They're just a bunch of stupid kids, and I wouldn't label what Anonymous as a whole is doing as hacking regardless of how you painted it. Lulzsec on the hand...are a bunch of kids who learned TRICKS before they gained the knowledge that comes with it.

After years of learning and you get to a point of finding exploits yourself, you understand at this point WHY doing things is a bad idea.

They skipped the learning phase and just learned some stupid tricks that allowed them to do a lot of damage while knowing little.

[freehunter]

It brings to mind the old infosec adage: What's the difference between hacking and pentesting? Permission.

The best hackers learn quickly to become security researchers/GRC/application security/etc. The rest end up in jail or swimming in debt from the lawsuits. It's okay to break things as long as you've been given permission to break them, and generally that permission comes with a clause to give advice on how to make sure it doesn't get broken again.

It's natural selection in the hacker realm. If you want to survive, you have to play by the rules.