[reisse]

> This approach will definitely save someone's life (and probably already is) but there's no golden pill that will, long term, give a healthy, in shape, body to people without effort.

Why? Is there any rational reason for such pill not to exist? Just because it seems "unfair" to the people who spent more effort to achieve the same?

The whole history of scientific progress is about achieving good things with less effort.

[bl4ckm0r3]

it's not unfair, the whole history of scientific progress is to cure unsolvable things with science. this seems pretty solvable to me ;) it's pretty much the same as giving everyone anti anxiety pills cause it's less effort than fixing the root causes.

[consteval]

I don't understand how this doesn't fix "the root cause".

The root cause of obesity is a propensity to eat too much. The root cause of alcoholism is a propensity to drink.

It follows some people are lucky and simply don't have this propensity. For those not as lucky, we can get rid of it.

The root cause of obesity IS NOT "eating too much". That's a symptom! Why do some people want to eat more than others? Are they weak? Are they stupid? Fat chance. What's wrong with their hormones and brains that this is the case? This is what Ozempic addresses. You have it backwards here: people claiming that diet and exercise are the answer are actually not looking at the root cause, people developing drugs like Ozempic are looking at the root cause.

[bl4ckm0r3]

1% of people have that root cause. The stuff I have seen in the united states is not root cause it's just bad habits. happy for them to get any pills, injection or whatever they think they need to feel good and better. Lazy people, lazy solution. We'll see long term how that works out, as much as anything diet related the usa has implemented in the past 50 years.

[consteval]

Incorrect, if only 1% of people had it only 1% of people would be obese.

If you're arguing that, in the past 50 years, something magically occurred to make people magically lazier that's a bold argument. The problem here is that you're using individual problems and language to conceptualize a societal problem. It just doesn't work that way.

Either you propose societal solutions and societal explanations, or you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. From where I'm standing, you sound clueless.

[bl4ckm0r3]

it's not magic, processed food is something recent, sugary food/drinks is something recent, bad habits and lazy sedentary life is something recent. if you don't see this then I don't know how to explain it to you. It's habit related and habit can be fixed, pills are not the best solution in my opinion.

[consteval]

Right, so as you've just admitted, the ROOT CAUSE is not eating too much. The ROOT CAUSE is the societal circumstances that push people to eat more. You're aware of what root cause means, right?

Listen, I understand it's convenient to believe that we can simply be better and fix problems. But look around you. If habits can be "fixed", we wouldn't be in this mess. This phase of sitting around with our thumbs up our asses and going "uh uhhh fatty eat less" are over. We need real solutions, made by people with thinking brains.