[gorkish]

Do you still have to quit and restart the entire application after you give the permission? Holy shit mac users are gonna become a meme in meetings.

MacOS is turning into quite the poo log lately. I respect that Apple has every right to completely destroy the legacy of the Macintosh, but they are slow playing it so that it's just a little bit better than the alternatives. The end result is my life gets just a little bit more difficult with every release.

I feel like the freaking frog on the stove while the water slowly heats up. When is it time to jump out?

[iknowstuff]

Lol calm down its only for apps which failed to upgrade to their new window selector API.

[jonathanyc]

Ironically, the last time I checked, the built in screencapture command-line program hadn’t been updated to use ScreenCaptureKit yet. The company I was contracting for ended up shelling out to it because its window picking UX was a lot better than ScreenCapureKit’s. (You can’t do this if you’re sandboxed, though, AFAIK).

[gcr]

Which major apps (chrome, google meet, zoom, tuple) have actually done so yet?

[nl]

Zoom and Chrome both seem fine

[ezfe]

That requirement doesn't apply to most apps even though it says it does. Zoom/Teams/Slack all pick up the permissions immediately.

[OJFord]

Slack seems to randomly lose microphone access (whether permissions or not) requiring restart anyway, so doesn't really help.

And unless that's really recent, no, I have colleagues drop out of Teams meetings to enable microphone or screen sharing access all the time.

[ezfe]

Yes because it says you have to. The system claims it won't work, but it works fine.

[latexr]

> I feel like the freaking frog on the stove while the water slowly heats up. When is it time to jump out?

Whenever you feel like it. Just like frogs do:

> While some 19th-century experiments suggested that the underlying premise is true if the heating is sufficiently gradual, according to modern biologists the premise is false: changing location is a natural thermoregulation strategy for frogs and other ectotherms, and is necessary for survival in the wild. A frog that is gradually heated will jump out.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling_frog

[Elidrake24]

You do not, providing you have given permission previously. Most Video Conferencing solutions have you test your hardware prior to joining a call, so shouldn't be an invasive issue.

[tl]

> I respect that Apple has every right to completely destroy the legacy of the Macintosh

I disagree. Apple's various machinations to control the best available supply lines (deals with TSMC, etc...) make me feel quite entitled in saying what is and is not acceptable behavior on their part. This feeling amplifies with every "courageous" announcement they make sunsetting some useful feature they no longer feel like supporting.

[seec]

I would also add that since Apple chose to lock their software and support of various file format/data storage to their own hardware solely; they have a responsibility toward their longtime customer to provide a good long-term experience. Otherwise, the only "solution" is to get stuck in time at a particular OS release and it doesn't work in IT for many different reasons.

There is a large difference in computing devices versus other simple objects, in that they need software and software can change which is problematic but should not be a problem for the customer/user...

In my opinion Apple is largely failing at providing a worthwhile platform, when they don't just discontinue stuff for their bottom line, most of the changes are for marketing reasons or increasing lockdown to extract more money from customers.

There is not a whole lot of useful stuff that have been added in the last 5 OS iterations but a lot of major annoyance or downgrades/roadblock/complications for usage, etc...

[valval]

What a pompous and annoying message you’ve written. Apple is one of the most successful businesses in the history of the world for good enough reason — providing value to customers.

[mystcb]

> Do you still have to quit and restart the entire application after you give the permission?

The funny thing about this, even on Sonoma - I could click the button to allow it, when it said "restart app" I closed the box (or clicked cancel), and it worked anyway. Specifically, I noticed it more on things like Teams/Zoom where I was doing a screen share, it just "worked" - no need to restart the entire application.

[e40]

And how are our parents going to do this without us being there? It once took be 3 hours to accomplish it with my father. He’s 3000 miles away but it was only marginally better than a plane trip.